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Oregano (formerly babywavy) 12-30-2006 07:48 PM

My hair is SO dry and brittle!
 
I've been trimming the ends frequently myself, so I've been keeping them from splitting too much, but I can't believe how brittle the ends of my hair are.

Perfect example of why you should never relax your hair. I swear, you think I'd learn to stay AWAY from chemical treatments. Yet, I still color my hair. I should really stop that too. :roll:

Anyway, it doesn't look too bad, but the ends are just a mess. Today I slathered EVOO all over my hair - I actually dipped the ends in a bowl of hot oil. This should be real fun to remove. But even with it covered in oil, I could STILL see how brittle the ends looked.

I can't stand having wet hair, it makes me so cold, so I just have to blow dry. I know it's gotta be that I just have to wait for all the processes I've done to grow out, but in the meantime I'm so frustrated!!

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-31-2006 12:37 AM

Those brittle ends really need some good protein treatments to at least temporarily "glue" them together, oil will soften the hair but that's about it. And yes, EVOO is one of the hardest oils to remove so you need to go easy on it each time you use it, you're better off next time just mixing one or two tablespoons of it with CO and leaving it on like a DT. But jojoba is the most like our own and you could just rub a tiny bit on the ends every day.

I noticed you've been straightening kind of often. Do I suppose wrong or were you not ever truly in love with your curls or somehow fell out of love with them? I know it's really none of my business but I'm wondering what drove you to straightening, even though I did it for years (chemically) and colored, I shampooed like once a week and then did a roller set which would last all week so my hair was usually in good condition. Anyway, I no longer see what's so great about straight hair. Everyday is such an adventure with my curls that I've lost all desire to straighten because my curls give me variety enough and it's more "me". I know I'll probably straighten again sometime but will always choose a gentle way to do it.

My own hair had been a little "testy" not too long ago, some frizz, hardly ever a decent 2nd day, and no shine or barely a sheen. All because of one overexposure to hair coloring and not enough nourishing to compensate. Suddenly it just :idea: on me and I began to give it lots of TLC, beginning by staying away from store-bought stylers for 2 weeks. I also did a coconut oil overnight treatment and used richer COs when I rinsed. Results were almost immediate and I've been rewarded with very good hair days, especially this last week.

So I'm just saying because you've been here long enough to know that you get out of your hair what you put into it and I'm sure you know that if you gave it a rest from "abuse" you'd not have to put up with the splitting. Remember: well formed, glossy curls beat fried dull hair any day of the week regardless what the world out there may want anyone to believe!

wild_sasparilla 12-31-2006 12:51 AM

Haven't you been marinating your hair in the Sunsilk Anti-Poof 24/7 cream lately? Maybe the cyclopentasiloxane is joining up with the relaxer to keep you dry - just letting you know it cares... :lol:

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-31-2006 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wild_sasparilla
Haven't you been marinating your hair in the Sunsilk Anti-Poof 24/7 cream lately? Maybe the cyclopentasiloxane is joining up with the relaxer to keep you dry - just letting you know it cares... :lol:

:shock: CONE OVERLOAD ALERT!!! :lol:

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 12-31-2006 06:48 AM

I know, I know......I know it al! I'm being a bad, bad girl to my hair!!

I'm going to have to suck it up and just deal with the natural color of my hair, color it one more time to get it to match my roots, and leave it alone.

Then I need to buy some good quality hair products, and stop using the Sunsilk, that kills me every time I use it, but it works well and it was cheap!! But I wouldn't say I was MARINATING my hair in it!! :lol:


I suppose if I'm going to complain about the condition of my hair, I deserve the "snap out of it" slap in the face! :lol:

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-31-2006 02:24 PM

I think I understand, you just needed a little push so you could stop waffling, lol!

Hey, I just realized you were the girl who PM'd me about lightening your hair with Colorsilk but it was a little complicated because you'd already tried it once. You never wrote again to tell me what you decided to do... Well, if you're going back to a darker shade, even though you may also know this, I just want to remind you to please use a S/P one, preferably from Sally's, like Color Charm. It requires a developer but it's mild (equivalent to 10v) and I think the total price would still be less or equal to a lesser quality drugstore kit, plus you'd probably only need 1/2 of the tube, especially if it's CC because it's concentrated (2 parts developer are used), so you could use the rest later in case there's any fading.

And lastly, if you want something relatively cheap that will nourish your hair, swing over to a health food store and get Nature's Gate Jojoba or Hemp, at about $5 for 18 oz. it's not a bad deal at all.

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 12-31-2006 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
I think I understand, you just needed a little push so you could stop waffling, lol!

Hey, I just realized you were the girl who PM'd me about lightening your hair with Colorsilk but it was a little complicated because you'd already tried it once. You never wrote again to tell me what you decided to do... Well, if you're going back to a darker shade, even though you may also know this, I just want to remind you to please use a S/P one, preferably from Sally's, like Color Charm. It requires a developer but it's mild (equivalent to 10v) and I think the total price would still be less or equal to a lesser quality drugstore kit, plus you'd probably only need 1/2 of the tube, especially if it's CC because it's concentrated (2 parts developer are used), so you could use the rest later in case there's any fading.

And lastly, if you want something relatively cheap that will nourish your hair, swing over to a health food store and get Nature's Gate Jojoba or Hemp, at about $5 for 18 oz. it's not a bad deal at all.


Ya, that was me - but if I go darker, I really only need to use a shade darker than the one I'd used before - especially since I know it's going to take so well. I didn't go through w/ the lighter shade b/c my hair is pretty dry, and now that my roots are coming in I just need to come close to matching it so I don't have to keep dying again.

My plan is to pick a dark ash blonde tone. The last color I used was a medium blonde, and that brought me to a coppery light brown. My natural hair color is probably an exact match to a Light Ash Brown color dye. I'm thinking between the damage, and the golden tones, it's going to suck up the color, so I'm going to go for the shade in between the one I used, and the color I know I am, to be on the safe side.

And yes, I think I will use a semi, since a darker color is going to be absorbed pretty easily on my hair.

You know, I keep SAYING that i need to get to my natural color and STOP COLORING......I just need to find a way to stick with it. I need to stop looking at celebrities who constantly color their hair and think that I can do that too. :lol:

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-31-2006 02:41 PM

That was really a very wise decision. If it's easier for you to get Colorsilk again, don't leave it on full developing time so you don't end up too dark again. In fact, since your cuticle is already wide open I'm sure you'll suck up more than enough color in 5 mins. tops, which is actually good since you need as little exposure to those chemicals as possible!

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 12-31-2006 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
That was really a very wise decision. If it's easier for you to get Colorsilk again, don't leave it on full developing time so you don't end up too dark again. In fact, since your cuticle is already wide open I'm sure you'll suck up more than enough color in 5 mins. tops, which is actually good since you need as little exposure to those chemicals as possible!


The only problem w/ that idea is that I've had it happen before where my hair doesn't take to the color at all. I'd hate for it not to process enough b/c then I'd have to color it AGAIN.

I could do the paper towel test thing to see if it's processed enough, but it's hard to tell when you're not looking at your whole head of hair.

But like I was saying, even if it is slightly lighter, at least if I get the tone more ashy, and less coppery/golden, it will blend better w/ my natural hair color.

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 12-31-2006 04:40 PM

Also wanted to add, that EVOO is the only oil I had on hand now, so I just decided to slather that on. I used about a 1/4 cup full and heated it in the microwave for about 20 seconds. I left it on for a few hours, but I did shampoo it out w/ CHS Treatment Shampoo which is a gentle, and protein packed shampoo. I conditioned w/ a CONE FREE conditioner afterwards. The oil was kind of a pre treatment or me.

I'm buying myself a late Christmas present of the Ojon hair kit from Sephora. I'm going to get their shampoo, conditioner, and the treatment stuff.

I let my hair air dry last night and today, and I used sesame oil on my ends out of the shower today.

I hate to have to process my hair again, but I just need to get it to a matching color so I can (hopefully) leave it alone.

I keep going through these phases, and then having to remind myself that my hair is too dry and porous to be processing it as much as I do.

And GET AWAY FROM THE CONES - I swear, my love-hate relationship w/ them kills me.

Ugh, when will I learn.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-31-2006 10:04 PM

I guess I got a little confused because you had first told me that you'd used a brown that absorbed too much and later you used the extra light blonde Colorsilk and that's what your hair didn't "take" (but really what happened was that it didn't lighten enough). I just re-read your posts and noticed you're going to use a dark blonde this time so you're right, in this case you do have to leave on full time but it would still be good to do a strand test before so you know how well it's going to blend the roots and ends.

I noticed you're not doing CG (or at least not the full version). Perhaps you already tried it in the past but maybe you'd like to consider giving it another shot, completely abstaining from shampooing really helps COs reverse some of the damage caused by coloring our hair.

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 01-01-2007 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
I guess I got a little confused because you had first told me that you'd used a brown that absorbed too much and later you used the extra light blonde Colorsilk and that's what your hair didn't "take" (but really what happened was that it didn't lighten enough). I just re-read your posts and noticed you're going to use a dark blonde this time so you're right, in this case you do have to leave on full time but it would still be good to do a strand test before so you know how well it's going to blend the roots and ends.

I noticed you're not doing CG (or at least not the full version). Perhaps you already tried it in the past but maybe you'd like to consider giving it another shot, completely abstaining from shampooing really helps COs reverse some of the damage caused by coloring our hair.


I have tried CG in the past, and I wasn't happy with the results. I gave it a good 3 month try, and decided it wasn't for me. My hair is pretty fine, and the curl pulls out very easily - co washes made me too greasy. But I do use a gentle shampoo (unless I'm using cones, then I use a sulfate), but I only shampoo every 3 - 4 days.

I occasionally use cones in products, but I really try to stay away from them in conditioners. I need to stay away from cones completely b/c they're just keeping the moisture from getting to my hair. Plus, I just need to suck it up and use good products to get my hair back in shape.

Keewee 01-01-2007 03:35 PM

MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE A NICE D/t WITH HEAT THEN 20-30 MINUTES THEN WAIT AT LEAST THREE DAYS AND IF TOU MUST DO A COLOR GO TO SALLYS AND PURCHASE A PROFESSIONAL HAIR DYE MAYBE CLARIOL ( I AM NOT SURE THEY STILL MAKE IT BUT ITS CALLED SECOND 2ND NATURE PURCHASE ONLY 10 VOLUME DEVPLOER ( THAT IS THE KEY AND MAYBE BUY ( DARK BLONDE OR EVEN MEDUIM BLONDE) THESES COLORS ONLY DEPOSIT COLOR THN AFTER THAT JUST LEAVE IT ALONE FOR NOW...THSESCILOR SHOULD BRING YOU BACK TO YOU NATURAL COLOR REMEBER TO GO A SHADE LIGHTER. BECAUSE THEY ONLY DEPOSIT..

HalfWavyHalfCurly 01-01-2007 05:13 PM

Not to be pushy or anything (just double checking ;)) but through the years I've observed that some people had to try CG several times before they got it to work, and then they've agreed that it's the best way to keep their hair healthy, even after bleaching.

So I can't help but wonder what products you used and how. Greasy scalp is not CGs fault, to the contrary, shampooing is the real culprit. See my explanation to blueberrie on this thread. In my post I included one fairly recent example of someone on "modified CG" who experienced a reduction of scalp oiliness which enabled her to space her shampooing to one a week.

I'm not saying this was you (this is mainly for the benefit of any newbies reading) but I saw several cases in which people had greasy hair because either they were using the wrong CO or not massaging their scalps well. Sometimes it's necessary to leave the CO on for several minutes to give the surfactants a good chance to break down the oils so they can rinse away easily. Honestly, over the years I've read the testimony of several curlies whose scalps normalized after CG. Using a CO with certain essential oils which act as solvents and also have a normalizing effect on the sebaceous glands is often the key for some people.

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 01-01-2007 07:09 PM

I probably shouldn't say that my hair was "greasy" b/c that wasn't the problem. I just didn't like the super clumpy shiny/oily/producty look that my curls had. I like them pulled out a bit more, and though I want them shiny, I don't want them to look coated w/ conditioner.

I can't remember what products I used when I was CG. I THINK I used Suave Naturals Aloe Vera as a co-wash, probably a couple times a week, and water washed the rest of the time and I can't remember at all what I used for a daily conditioner. I began by using Suave Naturals AV gel for product, but that made me too frizzy, so I switched to regular LOTV Aloe (the thinner drinkable kind) - this mixed w/ CK was a GREAT combination. Love, love, loved it.

However, lately I'm not into the tight curls/ringlets I can get w/ product, and prefer my hair softer, and finger combed, so I usually just run a bit of leave in, or oil on the ends, rather than gelling and drying.

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 01-01-2007 07:17 PM

Okay, HWHC, you've got me thinking about going CG again, but I'm not interested in using Deva products as they all seemed to make my skin break out.

Do you think it's possible to have a working CG routine using the cheap co-washes many here do, like V05, or Suave, or do you think that's not doing CG the "right way"? And I'm merely asking your opinion here.

I ask b/c I could justify spending more $ on conditioners, if I'm spending a buck on my co washes - and I do remember saving money when I WAS CG b/c I was only using a couple of natural things, and not spending tons of cash on bunk hair products.

Oregano (formerly babywavy) 01-01-2007 07:27 PM

Me again. Okay, I just read a few of your other posts where you were complaining about Suave M&H, so I wanted to clarify what I'd found in the cheap co washes I've tried.

I've only found I like a few of the Suave co's for washing. The Aloe Vera is probably my favorite, and the Coconut isn't bad, but most of the others made my hair feel too waxy or coated and I didnt' like it.

I've used a couple of White Rain co's and I wasn't impressed with those at all. V05 probably gave me the best results, but I think I had used the much coveted Kiwi Lime when I used that brand.

thinfine 01-01-2007 08:34 PM

Are you using shampoos and conditioners with lots of protein? Please keep in mind that overdoing protein treatments can cause dry, brittle hair. As previously stated, the cones can do the same. Here are some suggestions for cone-free, protein-free products:

Shampoos:
California Baby Shampoo (decyl polyglucose)
Dr. Bronner's Liquid Soap Baby Mild (Unscented)

Conditioners:
Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose® Moisturizing Conditioner (I love this)
Aubrey Organics White Camellia Ultra-Smoothing Conditioner

If you have been using heavy cones, you may have to continue using the stronger shampoo for the next 1 to 2 washings. This will ensure removal of the cones before switching to the milder shampoo.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 01-01-2007 11:59 PM

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(1) I probably shouldn't say that my hair was "greasy" b/c that wasn't the problem. I just didn't like the super clumpy shiny/oily/producty look that my curls had. I like them pulled out a bit more, and though I want them shiny, I don't want them to look coated w/ conditioner.

(2) Okay, HWHC, you've got me thinking about going CG again, but I'm not interested in using Deva products as they all seemed to make my skin break out.

(3) Do you think it's possible to have a working CG routine using the cheap co-washes many here do, like V05, or Suave, or do you think that's not doing CG the "right way"? And I'm merely asking your opinion here.

First off, on my last post I forgot it was already 2007 so I want to wish you and your family a very Happy New Year.

You went on quite a posting “spree” :lol:, to make this easier, I numbered your main paragraphs and my response as well:

(1) Who can blame you! I would hate that too. When I found the CG book I’d had zero to very little experience with gels (can’t remember) so when I discovered that additional Avalon Lavender applied as a leaving tamed my frizz and gave me good curling I didn’t bother with them for almost a year, no gel reduces or even eliminates the need to clarify so my routine became extremely simple. Unfortunately, this changed after I suffered considerable damage after repeated bleach applications the next year. However, because I stuck to CG although I lost some curl and at first had a little breakage I never had frizz which in S. FL is a miracle. I did choose intensive repair products carefully and had regular trims so after 8 months all the damaged hair was gone.

(2) Aaaalright!:D I’m excited for your sake. I've repeatedly seen CG leads people to be more mindful of what they put on their hair and that is a very good thing. I think it’s great if someone can afford the Deva products and does well with them, simply because they were designed especially for CG, BUT I’ve never believed the saying “you get what you pay for” is always true. When it comes to many things we are pressured to buy in this society what we’re often paying more for is A NAME and not necessarily the best quality, therefore, it’s very possible to find good products at a lesser price.

(3) Only if you have healthy hair and good water. You already saw how I feel about Suave; I myself experienced the waxy build-up you spoke about. The VO5 K&L is only good for washing and it makes a good clarifier; it's been a “staple” for me since I read about it here in ’03. There’s a new formula entering the market now which is supposed to be more moisturizing but I fear such “improvements” so let’s just hope they didn’t ruin it instead! The only other VO5 I used was surprisingly good (“So Smooth”) but it was discontinued a couple of years ago. From WR, I only used their Sunflower a few times, I didn’t think it was “bad” but it was also not something “to write home about”. It does have the advantage of having NO protein, which is good news for the “sensitive” but it's not nourishing enough. It could be a "standby rotation CO" after a little home “enriching” with a little jojoba oil, for instance.

Due to my preference for ingredients that have a true natural affinity with our hair, I always try to stir people to health food store brands. Thinfine’s recommendation of Aubrey Organics is good but they are a little pricey and I’ve often heard more economical brands as Nature’s Gate, Jason’s*, Kiss My Face, BWC, etc have given very good results. IMO NG gives the best value for the $$ and they have protein-free Cos too. If you go to the “Product Review” forum you can find an ongoing thread discussing the different types some members are using right now. *(Their Lavender has a 'cone).

OK, I hope 2007 brings a new healthier beginning to your hair as well. I'll be glad to do all I can to help. :D

mafalda 01-02-2007 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
...I saw several cases in which people had greasy hair because either they were using the wrong CO or not massaging their scalps well. Sometimes it's necessary to leave the CO on for several minutes to give the surfactants a good chance to break down the oils so they can rinse away easily. Honestly, over the years I've read the testimony of several curlies whose scalps normalized after CG. Using a CO with certain essential oils which act as solvents and also have a normalizing effect on the sebaceous glands is often the key for some people.

Hi HWHC, this part of your post intrigued me because I too had given up on CG and was on a modified CG because my scalp is oily even though my hair is dry. Weird combo, actually.

Anywhoo, I'd like to try CG again, and maybe leave on the CO longer and massage well. What type of ingreds should I look in for a CO wash and which essential oils to add? I have lavendar, rosemary, chamomile at home.


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