3a/3b curls dry & shedding lately?

Hello curlies :) I am new here, but I am loving the site so far, seems to be a lot of great advice floating around.
Anyway, I've been growing my hair out and haven't had it trimmed since November (I know that's probably bad but I'm going this weekend) Usually my curls are very bouncy, defined, voluminous, and healthy. But lately, it's been feeling dry and rough, and quite tangly - I wide-tooth comb my hair when damp and it's nearly impossible. I've been washing my hair alternating with Redken Moisture and Redken Curl shampoo, along with Redken Curl Conditioner. In addition, I've noticed a bit more shedding than usual. I don't know if it's hormonal/stress, me losing weight simultaneously, or the change in season, but this is making me nervous, which is probably not helping :(
Does anyone have any advice or ideas as to what may be going on? I can provide more details if needed.

Thank you!
I'm 3b and my hair is naturally dry and pretty coarse, and I shed like a dog. My hair is pretty healthy; other than coloring it to cover the greys that are starting to come in (grrr) I don't do anything unhealthy to it - no blow outs in almost 5 yrs, CG for that long, etc.
So it could be that your head is a shedder, like me LOL You didn't say if you follow a CG-modified routine. I see you aren't completely CG by the Redken products you use, but are you cutting out silicones, do you condition-wash, or shampoo wash every day? It may be that your hair doesn't like being washed with sulfates as often as that if so. It's kind of hard to say, so these are just "maybes." I used to shed so much more when my hair was stressed, so it could be that you have stressed hair.
Also, my hair doesn't behave as well when it's overdue for a trim. I trim it about every 6 months; if you get a good cut with someone who knows how to cut curls, every 6 to 9 months is fine. If I go too long, my hair gets limp, my curls lose life, and I shed more. My curls just get "blah." So a trim might help.
Switching to a non-sulfate shampoo, and/or to a routine that incorporates conditioner washes with low-poos, might help.
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3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
If your ends are split and scraggly, getting them trimmed would help a lot with the tangling.

Other than that, I don't see any deep treatments in your current regime. Everyone can benefit from a deep treatment. Some people (like me) prefer them 1-2 times a week, others only need them every other week or so. I like to DT after I shampoo, always.

You don't have to buy anything special. Your favourite conditioner mixed with some oil (extra virgin olive oil is great) is a good, simple treatment. You can also search the forums for some recipes or go on Youtube--tons of homemade recipes there.
Hair type: Mostly 3C, medium porosity to high porosity depending on the day, dense, fluffy, dry, tangly!



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I understand about the shedding. Worth checking out with a doc, just in case it is easily treatable or something important. I just started doing fish oil / omega-3 - good for dry, brittle hair, eczema, and lots of other stuff. Also like 1/4 tsp+ olive oil pre-wash to bump up the moisture. If you are committed to shampoo, you could protect your hair some by doing the spritz and condition method or diluting your shampoo with water and using it on the scalp only.
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Before coming on nc.com--my hair shed a lot! I take a medication that has a side effect of hair loss, but my hair doesn't seem to be as "all over" as it used to be. It's normal to shed between 50 and 100 hairs a day. The stress, hormones and weight loss also can contribute to the shedding.

I think combing in the shower with a wide tooth comb (I finger comb) WITH conditioner helps. It's the only way you should comb curly hair. The shed hairs come out and then you shouldn't be loosing hair the rest of the time. If you notice large amounts at that time--then it's something to take up with the doctor.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
How or why are you losing the weight? If you're still eating right than this may not be an issue, but if you are inadvertently losing weight by not eating right, then excess shedding may be in part due to nutritional issues. I have severe Crohn's disease and have had 2 small bowel resections, so I don't absorb some vitamins and minerals normally. Before taking care of those malabsorbtion issues my hair fell out like mad! Also, stress can cause more hair loss than usual.
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I'm getting that trim Saturday, so hopefully that will resolve this issue. I notice I tend to shed "with" the seasons sometimes. Last summer I had the same thing, it's just always a little frustrating.
I also think the shedding is partially due to the knots/gnarls I notice after I get out of the shower.
While I am losing weight, I am still eating properly and staying hydrated, so I don't think it has anything to do with a vitamin deficiency or poor nutrition. I do have a slightly hyperactive thyroid, but it was back to normal last time I got a blood test, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was kicking in again.
I think I'm going to mix some olive oil with my conditioner, use a deep treatment, and finger comb in the meantime - thanks nana_banana and kathymack for those tips!
The shampoo I'm using does not include sulfate, according to the bottle. I also use Bonacure Color Save moisturizing spray to detangle when it's wet. Then for styling, I've been using Pantene Mousse for curly hair (which I wonder about sometimes) and a touch of DevaCurl Angel defining gel.
Some of your dryness issues could be caused by the Patene Mousse. My stylist recommends staying away form mousse because the propellant is drying. Here are the ingredients:

Water, Isobutane, Polyquaternium 4, Propane, Propylene Glycol, C9 11 Pareth 8, Fragrance, DMDM Hydantoin, Disodium EDTA, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Panthenol, Citric Acid

I find the Polyquat 4 to be one of the worst causes of spider frizz for me. It builds up and I can even see the frizz when it's wet.

Couldn't find the ingredients for the Bonacare spray. When I googled it, it said it's made by Schwarzkopf. No one really "talks" about their products on nc.com, so I'm wondering if the ingredients are CG??
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Some of your dryness issues could be caused by the Patene Mousse. My stylist recommends staying away form mousse because the propellant is drying. Here are the ingredients:

Water, Isobutane, Polyquaternium 4, Propane, Propylene Glycol, C9 11 Pareth 8, Fragrance, DMDM Hydantoin, Disodium EDTA, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Panthenol, Citric Acid

I find the Polyquat 4 to be one of the worst causes of spider frizz for me. It builds up and I can even see the frizz when it's wet.

Couldn't find the ingredients for the Bonacare spray. When I googled it, it said it's made by Schwarzkopf. No one really "talks" about their products on nc.com, so I'm wondering if the ingredients are CG??
Originally Posted by kathymack
Got2B and LAL are made by Schwarzkopf (Schwarzkopf and Henkel to be exact, but the symbol on the package is the same head on the other Schwarzkopf products). Haven't seen anything around here from the Pro line, so I can't say if it's most likely one of those some are some aren't deals....
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Last edited by swtndspcy; 06-15-2011 at 06:08 AM.
I have stopped using the Pantene Mousse - it's been too humid here in Chicago for me to notice a difference, but I already notice it's less crunchy and more fluffy when air drying. When I'm inside, it looks considerably less frizzy and more defined like it used to be. Going outside just ruins it completely. I'm just sticking to the Devacurl AnGel and a tiny bit of volumizing gel by Schwarzkopf which also seems to tame the frizz. My hair seems to prefer the gel to mousse or sprays. The shedding has also slowed down. I'm really hoping my trim tomorrow will just kind of cure everything!
I am also noticing lots of shedding lately. I quit co-washes. Now I'm eitehr doing water washes of the scalp daily or low-poo as I go to the gym daily. It comes out when i'm washing, before I get to the detangling part. Should I condition/detangle first then? No one else loses hair when washing the scalp??? That's when I lose tons, then conditioner more, then raking in products, some more, and scrunching, there is still mroe. Any ideas why? Am I scrunching wrong???
2c
Medium texture
Normal porosity
Normal elasticity
can get weighed down with lots of oils
Co-wash-trying giovanni wellness
Rinse out: Garnier Body Boost, GVP
Leave-in: none right now, maybe a touch of SM curling souffle
Curl enhancer: AOMM and KCCC
Gel: Kiss my face gel
DT:Jessicurl
Low Poo: abba pure and natural, Giovanni Wellness
working on: getting rid of frizz from the get-go

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