weak curl pattern...:(

idk if you guys remember me, but i went cg for a week or so and then had to stop because my hair was too greasy for my high school graduation.
Well, im back on it! I have been for about a week and a half. Unfortunately, my hair wont seem to curl.

Last time i was cg, i went way overboard with conditioning. I have cut back and that helped a lot with the grease.
I use daily fix to help my dry scalp and that has also helped a lot.
BUT.. my hair is dull and flat. Not so much weighed down..but it seems resistant to volume. my hair was never like that when i was non cg!
I get little sissy curls on the ends on my hair, and the rest are thin straggly little nothings. I scrunch and plop but as soon as the plop comes out, my curls come out too. i want nice clumpy curls all over, not just at the ends!

Should I add a gel and possibly curl keeper?
Any advice?
thank you!!
Do you know your hair's properties? fine/coarse, thick/thin, porous/nonporous
What products are you currently using?
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2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Also, did you do a final sulfate cleanse with a no'cones product before going CG? Sounds like you have a lot of build-up or old 'cones weighing you down. Daily Fix is a great product and should not leave you dull or flat, so I feel like there has to be something left over from pre-CG.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

I rinse my hair upside down and it works really good! I would recommend doing that and maybe try using a curl spray instead of a gel.. idk. HTH
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I agree with Rustina that if you didn't do that final sulfate poo, that is probably what is causing this issue.

If you did do the last sulfate shampoo, here are some things I've learned from having a weak curl pattern:

First, Background: My hair went from being 2a to 3a, but sadly, if I don't use the right products, my hair falls out and is limp and stringy, with only the ends giving a half-hearted twirl.

Moisture: I've learned that the right amount/type of moisture gives me great curl that hold longer. I had to find mine through trial and error. For my hair, my fave RO is GFTN, and my fave LI is CJ Hibiscus and banana honey butta. (I have found others that work well, but these have given me the most consistent results). Without this moisture, my hair REFUSES to curl.

Protein: If my hair doesn't have enough protein, it doesn't curl as much, and is dull and tangly. But since my hair is partially coarse, I have to plan out my PTs and DTs well. Getting this balance right really helped my curl pattern.

If I deviate from this combo of PTs and DTs, and my RO and LI, my hair becomes tangly and matted in the shower.

The factor that determined my clumpy-ness was the type of gel that I used. Some give me stringy curls and others give me big clumps. I've found that scrunching the gel into my hair helps to get clumps, instead of raking it through. Gels that give my hair great clumps: CJ Aloe Fix (not for everyone), Donna Marie Miracurl

The most important part of keeping my limp pattern curly is...
Hard Hold Gel.
If I don't top my style off with a hard hold gel, my hair falls out by mid-day. That is the problem of having a weak curl pattern. No matter how much moisture and protein I put into my hair, it just can't hold itself up. This may be because I've destroyed my curls by my past straightening habit. My favorite hard hold gel is Biosilk rock hard gelee. It is a bit expensive but a little goes a long way if your hair is not as thick as mine.

KurlyPrincess had a good idea about rinsing upside down. I do that whenever I really want root curl. I also diffuse my hair upside down. I noticed that when I air dry, my hair lies flat against my head and has NO volume. To keep that volume, I make sure I get product into my roots, which is hard for longer hair. I'm going over to sally's later today to pick up some clips to help section my hair better.

Curl keeper doesn't really do anything for my hair clump-wise. It doesn't really do anything for me at all, but since your properties aren't listed, it may well work for you. If your curl pattern is curlier than mine, it could help give you shine and frizz protection.

I hope that was helpful and not too confusing
2bc3a
CG since December '09
loo-poo: Kiss My Face Everywhere Shampoo
cowash: Suave Naturals, CJ DF
rinse out: TN
leave-in: CJHBLI, CJSL, SMRC
stylers: (rotating) CJAF, CCCC, SMCS, Ecostyler, KMFUM
DT: CJCR
PT:CJRM

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I, on the other hand, has hair that curls better when it's on the drier side. I need to wash my hair frequently, mostly sulphate free, but once a week with a sulphate to get rid of build up. If my hair is too moisturized, it becomes flat and wavy- which isn't bad, but I like my coils and ringlets. It is a very fine balance, protein, moisture... and I also never rake in product, pulls out my coils!

shoulder length long layered 2b/3a lots of it
wash: Live Clean shampoo Abba pure curl Mop c hydrating
cond: suave coconut Goldwell curly twist
Protein: Redken Extreme Cat
style: Ag:recoil Deva Mist-er right
I, on the other hand, has hair that curls better when it's on the drier side. I need to wash my hair frequently, mostly sulphate free, but once a week with a sulphate to get rid of build up. If my hair is too moisturized, it becomes flat and wavy- which isn't bad, but I like my coils and ringlets. It is a very fine balance, protein, moisture... and I also never rake in product, pulls out my coils!
Originally Posted by sveetiepie
Just goes to show how different each head of hair is

I agree though that I don't rake in my products often. I only rake in if I KNOW that my hair will still turn out curly because it is a great product. Mostly I just smoosh and scrunch until my hair is big chunky coils.
2bc3a
CG since December '09
loo-poo: Kiss My Face Everywhere Shampoo
cowash: Suave Naturals, CJ DF
rinse out: TN
leave-in: CJHBLI, CJSL, SMRC
stylers: (rotating) CJAF, CCCC, SMCS, Ecostyler, KMFUM
DT: CJCR
PT:CJRM

love oils, avocado and castor oil are my favorite


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I know i have thin hair and lots of it, maybe low to normal porosity and regular elasticity.

I made sure i did a full scrub with v05 kiwi lime squeeze shampoo which i know is cg. A few days before this though, i did a bs/acv rinse. Im not really sure why i did this, and it didnt leave my hair feeling any cleaner.

I use daily fix every 3 days and scrub my scalp. should i be doing the length of my hair too?. vo5 tea conditioner. (the one with blackberries) for my rinse out. I cannot leave this in because ill get too weighed down.

Maybe i do need more moisture? Im a little afriad because i know my hair gets weighed down too easily but im not sure what it wants

Last edited by sammycurl; 06-22-2011 at 10:24 AM.
also i am thinking maybe my hair is still adjusting to getting rid of cones and sulfates?
Since your hair is fine, I'd suggest doing PTs. Protein helps shore up the internal structure of hair to help it support itself. Fine hair tends to do well with protein no matter what the porosity.
If you are a wavy I'd suggest a hard hold gel. I'm not sure what your curl pattern is. Maybe I missed it.
Also, there is a small group of wavy/curlies that find they need truckloads of protein and very little moisture. It is too early to say, but you may belong to this group. A common hair type for this group is fine and low porosity.
Edit: Also, feel free to skip the leave in if you feel it is weighing you down.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
im not sure what my curl pattern is. if only my hair would cooperate with me! ill check out the board section you mentioned and get a pt. hopefully itll lead me in the right direction

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