Dry, tangly hair - help!

I've been CG since June and while my hair is in better shape, I am still experiencing problems - particularly dryness and tangling. I use the DevaCurl low-poo just on my roots, and the DevaCurl One Condition Ultra Creamy conditioner. I detangle while my hair is wet, the comb slick with conditioner. It takes me 20 minutes to comb it through, which is pretty ridiculous. After, I use Schawrzkopf Moisture Kick spray to do any extra detangling and to add moisture, as well as the DevaCurl Believe-In Defining gel. My hair is past my shoulders (I am continuing to grow it out). I had my ends trimmed back in June but I suppose I need a better cut, which I am resisting. I know my dryness is the result of my ex-stylist's over-processing. I have been color process free for 7 months (and heat styling for almost 3 years) though, this is simply the aftermath. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I may be missing in my regimen? I know when it is well moisturized, it behaves and curls up much more beautifully. By the end of the day though, my hair is a knotted and dry/rough mess.
Additional info: my hair is a mix of 3b/3c (?) curls, but my under layer is more wavy, like a 2a/2b. Once my choppy layers grow out/blend it will be curlier again. I think my hair is medium, not fine, and there is a lot of it.
Also, attached is a photo of my current hair (not the best resolution but gives an idea).

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks
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Seriously your hair looks amazing to me! Hair crush!
Yeah, seriously, you are beautiful and have gorgeous hair!

Ok, couple suggestions - some you may already be doing, but given I have dry tangly hair, maybe you can find something useful in here.

I only detangle in the shower. I low-poo or co-wash, depending on what my hair needs, then coat my hair in condish. I put it up in a clip and then wash my face, shave, etc. Then I take it back down, and let the water flow over one side of it, which sort of helps to pull my hair into the right position, and then detangle with a wide-tooth comb working from the ends up. Sometimes I have to add a little more condish. Then I add a heavier RO over it, sometimes I'll wait a couple minutes, and then partially rinse it out.

Out of the shower, I use LI, and then add stylers.

At least once a week I do a DT, taking my heaviest condish(es), and mix in some EVOO, coconut oil, sometimes some ACV, honey, or any combo of those.

I also sometimes do coconut oil pre-poos, especially if I'm going to clarify, which I find sometimes helps with tangles, too. I also usually do the CWC method when I'm going to low-poo. (that's "condition wash condition", where you put condish on the length of your hair, then low-poo, then condition again.)

Also, do you do PT's? If you have over-processing, that can be very helpful.

Good luck! I know it's frustrating. I left the house feeling pretty happy with my refreshed curls today, but by the time I got home they were a dry frizzy tangled mess. :/
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Thank you! I agree, my hair looks good when it's styled, but up close you can see the damage by the end of the day.
Yeah, seriously, you are beautiful and have gorgeous hair!

Ok, couple suggestions - some you may already be doing, but given I have dry tangly hair, maybe you can find something useful in here.

I only detangle in the shower. I low-poo or co-wash, depending on what my hair needs, then coat my hair in condish. I put it up in a clip and then wash my face, shave, etc. Then I take it back down, and let the water flow over one side of it, which sort of helps to pull my hair into the right position, and then detangle with a wide-tooth comb working from the ends up. Sometimes I have to add a little more condish. Then I add a heavier RO over it, sometimes I'll wait a couple minutes, and then partially rinse it out.

Out of the shower, I use LI, and then add stylers.

At least once a week I do a DT, taking my heaviest condish(es), and mix in some EVOO, coconut oil, sometimes some ACV, honey, or any combo of those.

I also sometimes do coconut oil pre-poos, especially if I'm going to clarify, which I find sometimes helps with tangles, too. I also usually do the CWC method when I'm going to low-poo. (that's "condition wash condition", where you put condish on the length of your hair, then low-poo, then condition again.)

Also, do you do PT's? If you have over-processing, that can be very helpful.

Good luck! I know it's frustrating. I left the house feeling pretty happy with my refreshed curls today, but by the time I got home they were a dry frizzy tangled mess. :/
Originally Posted by Jas76
Thank you! Like I said, it looks pretty good when styled, but even after an hour or so I can start to feel the tangles forming. There is no such thing as running your fingers through my hair without catching a knot. Thanks for the suggestions, I think I need to try some stronger conditioning/oil types of treatments. I have a Redken All Soft special conditioning cream but that leaves my hair kind of straight-ish and limp, which is not my thing obviously haha. I only use that in tangle emergencies. If by PT you mean protein, then yeah that is definitely something I am looking into!
I would suggest a haircut every few months and regular trims until the damage is gone. You also need to do regular PTs (protein treatments) and since your hair is dry, you may need to DT more frequently.

Another thought is using other products. Most of us start with Deva and move on to other lines. My salon has the Deva products. The only one I let them use when I went in for my regular haircut/highlight was the NoPoo. They changed the ingredients a few years ago and I found it very drying. Now, no Deva for me.

Many of us rotate products because our hair satiates, if we don't. I wet, rinse out and style every day--seldom use any one product more then twice a week.

If your hair is drying out during the day, it's "porous." It could be a result of the "over processing," heat damage or you may just have porous hair. You may want to think of "sealing." If you search, there are a lot of threads. Some people use oils or butters, I just use richer products. It's putting a layer of something really rich that will take a while to be absorbed and help your hair retain the moisture. Some use a leave in first and then seal, others seal and then put in their other products.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I would suggest a haircut every few months and regular trims until the damage is gone. You also need to do regular PTs (protein treatments) and since your hair is dry, you may need to DT more frequently.

Another thought is using other products. Most of us start with Deva and move on to other lines. My salon has the Deva products. The only one I let them use when I went in for my regular haircut/highlight was the NoPoo. They changed the ingredients a few years ago and I found it very drying. Now, no Deva for me.

Many of us rotate products because our hair satiates, if we don't. I wet, rinse out and style every day--seldom use any one product more then twice a week.

If your hair is drying out during the day, it's "porous." It could be a result of the "over processing," heat damage or you may just have porous hair. You may want to think of "sealing." If you search, there are a lot of threads. Some people use oils or butters, I just use richer products. It's putting a layer of something really rich that will take a while to be absorbed and help your hair retain the moisture. Some use a leave in first and then seal, others seal and then put in their other products.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Yeah, I definitely think you're right about a trim - my ends could definitely benefit, as well as having my choppy layers fixed up by my new stylist would probably help with the way my hair lays/grows in general. I've never done a DT or PT so I think I need to experiment. If you could recommend some other good products/lines for me, that would help. I really don't know of much else besides Redken and Deva, the ones I've been using for the past year or so. I know I can't use drugstore products, like Pantene because they hurt my scalp.
My hair is definitely porous from highlights I got on top of demi-permanent color about 7 months ago. All of my natural color that's grown out is healthy, so I do agree that gradually cutting away the old color will help a lot. Is it possible though that sealing - using the buttery/oily products - will weight down my hair at all? Thanks for your advice! Very helpful

Yeah, I definitely think you're right about a trim - my ends could definitely benefit, as well as having my choppy layers fixed up by my new stylist would probably help with the way my hair lays/grows in general. I've never done a DT or PT so I think I need to experiment. If you could recommend some other good products/lines for me, that would help. I really don't know of much else besides Redken and Deva, the ones I've been using for the past year or so. I know I can't use drugstore products, like Pantene because they hurt my scalp.
My hair is definitely porous from highlights I got on top of demi-permanent color about 7 months ago. All of my natural color that's grown out is healthy, so I do agree that gradually cutting away the old color will help a lot. Is it possible though that sealing - using the buttery/oily products - will weight down my hair at all? Thanks for your advice! Very helpful
Originally Posted by bombshell
Some great lines are Curl Junkie, Spiral Solutions (when she's up and running again), Donna Marie, Marie Dean, Komaza, Kinky Curly--just to name a few.

My hair is fine and not very dense as a result of age, thyroid and medication issues. I use small amounts of the richer products with no problems. My hair isn't dry, so I don't need to DT. I do at least one PT a week--CJ Repair Me and SS Protein Repair Treatment are both very moisturizing. As long as I'm using lots of protein, and don't overdo the rich products, I don't have issues with my hair being weighted down. My hair is low porosity, so it takes it a while to absorb the products. My hair actually gets better as the day goes on.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
[QUOTE=bombshell;1814012 recommend some other good products/lines for me, that would help. I really don't know of much else besides Redken and Deva, the ones I've been using for the past year or so. I know I can't use drugstore products, like Pantene because they hurt my scalp.
My hair is definitely porous from highlights I got on top of demi-permanent color about 7 months ago. All of my natural color that's grown out is healthy, so I do agree that gradually cutting away the old color will help a lot. Is it possible though that sealing - using the buttery/oily products - will weight down my hair at all? Thanks for your advice! Very helpful [/QUOTE]

Curl Junkie Curl Rehab is a good deep conditioner (and people have used it as a leave-in conditioner, too). You'll probably have to experiment with what product you can use as a sealer that won't weigh your hair down. I use coconut oil as a sealer and it works fine (but again, everyone's different, so you'll have to experiment).

Another idea you could consider, is doing oil rinses. They help me with fighting tangles, and I think of them as sort of a sealing technique in that you put the oil on after washing your hair and then rinse it off, but some of it of course stays on your hair and seems to seal moisture in. It works for me anyway. AND it doesn't seem to weigh my hair down. You can read this thread to find out more if you're interested: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curltalk/4a/59556-can-anyone-tell-me-about-oil-rinsing.html
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
Thank you @kathymack and @devushka for your suggestions! I think I found my latest remedy. I got the Organix Coconut Milk conditioner which has egg white protein - what a difference! I think this is my miracle product haha. Funny my boyfriend actually recommended I get it! And also the Deva Curl Moisture Lock spray. I still plan on getting a small trim but this has improved the dryness immensely! It's not perfect yet, but at least it looks more shiny and defined, gave my curls extra bounce.

Last edited by bombshell; 11-21-2011 at 02:48 PM.
PS - I forgot, I got a free Macadamia Healing Oil treatment at Ulta today, so maybe I could use that to further help seal or as a rinse.

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