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Old 01-15-2007, 10:56 AM   #1
 
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Default Another ingredient question..

Well, I've heard that the B2B peach pomegranate is CG, but I'm still interested in trying it because I've heard it gives great clumping. I know that laurabeth gave it a bad review in the Conditoiner Chronicles, but I'm still interested in it. Here are the ingredients. The bolded ones concern me

water, propylene glycol, myristyl alcohol, behentrimonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride, isopropyl alcohol, phenoxyethanol, fragrance, decyl oleate, methylparaben, propylparaben, limonene, linalool, butylphenyl methylpropional, geraniol, sodium hydroxide, panthenol, butylene glycol, prunus persica (peach) fruit extract, punica granatum extract, hibiscus sabdariffa flower extract, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate.

So is it safe to use?
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Old 01-15-2007, 11:27 AM   #2
 
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It's supposed to be safe, but it didn't detangle well for me at all and it really felt like it was depositing something on my hair, like it felt gunky. I'm much more curious to try the old version that hockeymom and medusahair rave about.
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I'm using the new B2B with success -- it doesn't seem to build up or feel like it's coating my hair. I've heard different things about propylene glycol though too...i've heard some experts say that it's a humectant but others say it can build up, so that could be what peole feel if it's feeling yucky...I'll keep using it until or if I start feeling that it's doing something I don't like to my hair.
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Now I'm wondering if I just got a bad bottle of it. I definitely want to like it, but my hair is just refusing. It's like my hair just won't absorb it and it sits on top of my hair. Maybe it's my hair texture.
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Old 01-15-2007, 12:00 PM   #5
 
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The old version is the bomb totally
The new one has it's definite good points. LIke Lush it felt like something was being left in my hair. I have to say though when I dried my hair it looked fine, and it was shiny.
The next day it came out of my hair just as well as anything else. I have to no poo or co wash daily lately. I guess it's the heavy winter conditioning.
I don't know what that feeling was but it left my hair tangly too. It might work better on freshly shampooed or acv hair?

Just like the old one though it clumps like crazy. I've never seen anything like it for clumping.
If you have a costco near you they carry it there, you can always return it if it doesn't work out for you.
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Old 01-15-2007, 12:12 PM   #6
 
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Thanks!
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Costco carries it? I had no idea! I thought I had combed that store over already. :P Btw, does the texture of the new and old seem the same?
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Old 01-15-2007, 01:31 PM   #8
 
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Propylene glycol is a humectant, but it's also a common cause of dermatitis for many. I'm relieved it causes no problems for me. It's fairly similar to glycerin.

Myristyl alcohol is a fatty alcohol but very high on the pore clogging index.

Isopropyl alcohol is a drying alcohol, but based on its placement (right at a preservative phenoxyethanol), its concentration should be just as part of the preservative makeup (like benzyl alcohol in many gels in the last few ingreds).

I think B2B condishes are more YMMV than most. I couldn't see any trends as to where people lived and liked them except a little cluster in the Rust Belt, especially in Ohio, so that could be a water connection. This condish was the most heavy-duty of the B2B choices without any -siloxane cones.
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I was thinking of one other thing. Propylene glycol is a primary ingredient in CK, so if this conditioner was left in, it could--in theory--provide better clumping for that reason, much like CK.

When I did my testing, I rinsed out all of the conditioner for each one I tested. There were a few that I tested rinsed out AND with some left in when that was suggested, but none of the B2B ones were tested left in.
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Old 01-17-2007, 01:20 PM   #10
 
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Thanks laurabeth! I would like to try it, but the fact that Myristyl alcohol clogs pores kind of steers me away from it.
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lush the texture of the old one is thicker and creamier but the new one actually has more slip right off the bat I think. The old one leaves less of that funny feeling like something is left behind but I have to tell you I can't use either without a leave in.
I tried it the other day and while my hair was real curly and clumped still .... I came out a bit dry. Not horribly but just a little, but then I am using aloe gels so I don't know if that makes a difference.
The peach condish seems to clump my hair, then I add my leave in and I get even more clumping, I add that aloe gel and my hair is like curls on crack I tell you.
I wonder if all three of those things or maybe at least a couple have that prop. glycol in them? That would explain some things. I was trying to find something they had in common.

LB you might be onto something about the water too. I have red clay here and mica and sand in my water. I'm on well water. Oh and iron too. Some gets filtered out but generally I get limp hair if I'm not careful. I'm not sure on say hard or city water how this condish would do.
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LOL, 'curls on crack' ! Make that 'curly on crack' and that would cover me at the moment since I feel like I'm on something running around to every natural food store/beauty supply/online source possible. What the heck am I going to do when the party is over?? I'll have withdrawal symptoms for sure. I might even actually use all my products up.
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:25 AM   #13
 
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Okay, I'm going to try it. I just hope I don't break out a lot from it. I love peachy stuff!
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:28 AM   #14
 
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Propylene glycol is a humectant, but it's also a common cause of dermatitis for many. I'm relieved it causes no problems for me. It's fairly similar to glycerin.

Myristyl alcohol is a fatty alcohol but very high on the pore clogging index.

Isopropyl alcohol is a drying alcohol, but based on its placement (right at a preservative phenoxyethanol), its concentration should be just as part of the preservative makeup (like benzyl alcohol in many gels in the last few ingreds).

I think B2B condishes are more YMMV than most. I couldn't see any trends as to where people lived and liked them except a little cluster in the Rust Belt, especially in Ohio, so that could be a water connection. This condish was the most heavy-duty of the B2B choices without any -siloxane cones.

Just another question, what does YMMV mean?
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:53 AM   #15
 
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Your mileage may vary.
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Old 01-22-2007, 02:10 PM   #16
 
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ohh okay thanks!
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