Help with ratty tangled mess hair

I have been CG for a little over a month, and at first my hair was super soft and bouncy and springy and more curly than before!

Now it looks like the hair in this pic (not mine)
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My curl pattern and type are very much like this ( on a good day)
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My hair gets sooooooooooo tangled it takes 45 minutes in the shower to detangle it and waaaaayyyyy too much condish. It is also looking horribly limp now and gritty/dull instead of shiny.

I havent dyed or flat iron in over 4 years, it is all natural and I use a hair dryer less than once a month.

Current "routine"
Rinse with ACV (more for my scalp than anything)
Co wash with Tresummes natural
Leave in : yes to carrots (1/4 of the time) or KCKT (3/4 of the time)
Styling products : Shea moisture hibiscus smoothie cream ( the one in a jar) and a teeny bit of flaxseed jel, or just the smoothie cream .

I do plop for about 20 minutes because Ite walking around with dripping wet hair.

I have done a coconut oil overnight treatment, then rinsed in the am, I have no protein treatments or deep treatments figured out yet, I have no clue on porosity ( but haven't abused my hair in 4 years so....)

Suggestions? I also need a haircut badly but am soooo scared ro get (another) a bad one.
All bets off on finding the perfect products for the curls - focusing on regrowing (50%) hair loss due to
A) Depo Provera (injectable birth control)
B) seborrheic dermatitis
C) stress/diet

Last edited by curlimami; 12-10-2011 at 10:38 PM. Reason: Added info
Hmm...are you diluting your ACV with lots of water? It's very acidic and can cause cuticle damage if it isn't diluted. Try using just a tablespoon or so in a big glass that's filled the rest of the way with water. Also how often are you using it? That's the only thing that stands out to me as a possibly damaging ingredient in your regimen.
Hmm...are you diluting your ACV with lots of water? It's very acidic and can cause cuticle damage if it isn't diluted. Try using just a tablespoon or so in a big glass that's filled the rest of the way with water. Also how often are you using it? That's the only thing that stands out to me as a possibly damaging ingredient in your regimen.
Originally Posted by Dame Curlicue
Oooooo I'm doing like a third cup to half a cup of ACV and a tad more than that water

Thank you. so how do I rectify it? I have coconut oil. Olive oil. Some random Argan oil deep treatment (that I need to read and see if it is truly "CG" or not) I also have honey and avocado in the house...
All bets off on finding the perfect products for the curls - focusing on regrowing (50%) hair loss due to
A) Depo Provera (injectable birth control)
B) seborrheic dermatitis
C) stress/diet
I would lay off the ACV completely for a month or so. That's one of those things you should do as needed, rather than on a timed schedule.

The ACV has probably eaten away at your hair cuticle a little so I would alternate protein treatments and deep conditioning treatments for the next few weeks. Exactly what you should use and when depends on how sensitive your hair is to protein. Stay away from anything that's harsh on the hair like excessive heat or sulfate shampoos. This should build up your cuticle and make things better in time.

I've heard that avocado is great for both protein and moisture so you could maybe find a hair mask recipe that will utilize this.

Unusually dull hair that feels rough or tangles more easily is due to cuticle damage. A small amount of ACV applied infrequently can close up the cuticle, but using too much too often will actually burn through it, creating more problems. As you experiment to figure out how much ACV your hair can take, start with very small amounts and try just rinsing your hair in cold water at the end of your shower. This has a slight cuticle-closing effect on the hair, without the potential for harm that ACV has.

Good luck

Last edited by Dame Curlicue; 12-11-2011 at 12:02 AM.
Hmm...are you diluting your ACV with lots of water? It's very acidic and can cause cuticle damage if it isn't diluted. Try using just a tablespoon or so in a big glass that's filled the rest of the way with water. Also how often are you using it? That's the only thing that stands out to me as a possibly damaging ingredient in your regimen.
Originally Posted by Dame Curlicue
I would lay off the ACV completely for a month or so. That's one of those things you should do as needed, rather than on a timed schedule.

The ACV has probably eaten away at your hair cuticle a little so I would alternate protein treatments and deep conditioning treatments for the next few weeks. Exactly what you should use and when depends on how sensitive your hair is to protein. Stay away from anything that's harsh on the hair like excessive heat or sulfate shampoos. This should build up your cuticle and make things better in time.

I've heard that avocado is great for both protein and moisture so you could maybe find a hair mask recipe that will utilize this.

Unusually dull hair that feels rough or tangles more easily is due to cuticle damage. A small amount of ACV applied infrequently can close up the cuticle, but using too much too often will actually burn through it, creating more problems. As you experiment to figure out how much ACV your hair can take, start with very small amounts and try just rinsing your hair in cold water at the end of your shower. This has a slight cuticle-closing effect on the hair, without the potential for harm that ACV has.

Good luck
Originally Posted by Dame Curlicue
THANK YOU! I had no idea I was overdoing it on the ACV! I will def lay off for a while, and do some deep treatments and PTs to restore my hair .
All bets off on finding the perfect products for the curls - focusing on regrowing (50%) hair loss due to
A) Depo Provera (injectable birth control)
B) seborrheic dermatitis
C) stress/diet
Way too much ACV in frequency and strength. I use 1 T to 2 cups water. Always conditioner afterwards.

Add lots of moisture and protein to try and repair some of that damage. Most recommend doing a moisture treatment after a strong protein treatment. Too much protein can dry out your hair and damage it also. Have to find that balance.
You should also get that haircut you need. That should really help with the tangling.

Only time my hair tangles is when I use an ingredient it doesn't like (castor or mineral oil.) I know that some of us do have hair that doesn't have a tendency to tangle--but I get a cut every six weeks. I'm sure that helps, too.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thank you. Any suggestions on what/which moisturizers and deep treatments to use? I don't have any really yet, so I have no clue on what to try...
All bets off on finding the perfect products for the curls - focusing on regrowing (50%) hair loss due to
A) Depo Provera (injectable birth control)
B) seborrheic dermatitis
C) stress/diet
You should also get that haircut you need. That should really help with the tangling.

Only time my hair tangles is when I use an ingredient it doesn't like (castor or mineral oil.) I know that some of us do have hair that doesn't have a tendency to tangle--but I get a cut every six weeks. I'm sure that helps, too.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Yes, I neeeeddddd a haircut way to scared to get one since my hair was butchered last year but have a consultation next week .

My hair never used to tangle at all , so I'm assuming it is the ACV overdose ... Whoops!
All bets off on finding the perfect products for the curls - focusing on regrowing (50%) hair loss due to
A) Depo Provera (injectable birth control)
B) seborrheic dermatitis
C) stress/diet

Yes, I neeeeddddd a haircut way to scared to get one since my hair was butchered last year but have a consultation next week .

My hair never used to tangle at all , so I'm assuming it is the ACV overdose ... Whoops!
Originally Posted by curlimami
My guess would be the haircut has a lot to do with it and the too strong ACV rinse just exacerbated it.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thank you. Any suggestions on what/which moisturizers and deep treatments to use? I don't have any really yet, so I have no clue on what to try...
Originally Posted by curlimami
Do you have a sally's beauty supply?
Ion Effective Care Treatment is a moisture and protein treatment. Can be used daily too.
Colorful Neutral Protein Filler can be mixed with water and used as a protein treatment, can be added to conditioner to make a protein conditioner. Love this stuff.
Aphogee 2 minute reconstructor
aphogee 2 step- intense, super protein treatment.
GVP Kpak is a protein treatment. Contains mineral oil which can be a problem for some.

GVP the Conditioning Balm is a biolage dupe. Very conditioning. Can use as a rinse out, leave in or deep treatment by saturating hair and leaving it on overnight.

disposable shower caps- add some conditioner to wet hair, put on cap and let hair set. the cap traps the heat in and helps the conditioner penetrate the hair. I'll even put a turban towel on top for extra heat.

You can make your own protein treatment
IAgirl's Protein Treatment recipe thread!

Oils- few oils actually penetrate the hair. Avocado and jojoba are two. I like to add a little to my conditioner or homemade flaxseed gel if my hair seems extra dry.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...air-shaft.html

I really like shescentit.com conditioners and treatments.
jessicurl.com - the too shea and weekly deep treatment are very emollient conditioners that contain no protein
curljunkie.com has great products too

Serious protein treatments need to be followed by a moisturzing treatment. Like with the acv, too much protein will also dry out the hair. it's all about balance.

livecurlylivefree.com sells and ebook which is a great source of info. the author is our very own Struttswife. I refer to this book over and over again. Great stuff.
I can join you on this one. I have been there and although I feel I am still there, I feel my hair has made some improvement.
Although , my hair does get pretty knotty especially my back and top. This is something I need to see what to do. I'm even considering a texturizer.

I would recommend you read the ingredients and inspect everything. I found myself doing this, by ruling out what works and what doesn't. I found I am protein sensitive.
3b/C with nicer curls on the bottom!
Hair: naturally very dry and VERY porous
hair seems to be moody.
Does not seem to like oils
Does not like protein or too much?
Does not like rich products

So, I ask myself. What does it like? That is the question, and I'm on a mission.

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