texture questions....

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I was watching a video on youtube earlier that explained the different hair textures and what kind of products you should use...and now I'm completely confused...

This may be kinda long...I apologize in advance....

In the video she explained that med/coarse hair doesn't need protein and that fine hair does need it to help make it stronger.

But awhile ago, I noticed it was feeling mushy after beginning to use GF triple nutrition (which is protein free)- and when I did a strand test - it stretched really really far before breaking. So I posted on the nc boards to find out what was wrong...someone suggested a PT. I did one and WOW my hair was amazing afterward. When I did a strand test last night, it still stretches, but not as much as before.

I have always thought I had medium textured hair because when I hold it up to the light, you can definitely see the strand, I have healthy hair because I haven't straightened or colored it in a very long time.

After putting up my GFTN, I went back to VO5MM (in my stash) and my hair seemed to go back to its old self. But after taking a closer look at the ingredients, they're protein free too. So I'm guessing that the PT is what did the trick.

Also, in the video, she explained that medium hair should use humectants and emollients. I had an awful experience with GVP conditioning balm at a rainy football game. I never ever want my hair to look like that again.

So my questions are this..

#1 - can I have medium textured hair and need protein? I definitely don't fall into the fine texture category.
#2 - if I am medium textured - why did my hair get freaky after using a humectant?
#3 - if it is moisture that I lack - any suggestions for a DT? I'm almost out of my SM DT...

Thank you ladies sooooo much for taking the time to read my post and respond....
3b/High porosity/Fine - Medium density/Medium texture
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVPCB
Co-wash/RO: Cure Care, Tresemme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave In: Tresemme Naturals, Renpure Moisturizing
Stylers:AIF, Salon Care Super Firm (yellow), Eco Styler (clear), KMFUM, HESMU
HG's: Cure Care condish, Ion Reconstructor
GFTN is full of oils and is extremely moisturizing, maybe too much for your hair? My hair is more coarse and was ok with it, but it might be too much with medium. Medium hair is all about balance, trying not to overdo the moisture/protein balance either way. You can use products that have mild moisturizers and a little protein, but you don't need to load up on oils or do a PT for two hours on a regular basis, so it's actually pretty nice!
whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
GFTN is full of oils and is extremely moisturizing, maybe too much for your hair? My hair is more coarse and was ok with it, but it might be too much with medium. Medium hair is all about balance, trying not to overdo the moisture/protein balance either way. You can use products that have mild moisturizers and a little protein, but you don't need to load up on oils or do a PT for two hours on a regular basis, so it's actually pretty nice!
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
I never thought about the GFTN having a lot of oils in it.

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3b/High porosity/Fine - Medium density/Medium texture
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVPCB
Co-wash/RO: Cure Care, Tresemme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave In: Tresemme Naturals, Renpure Moisturizing
Stylers:AIF, Salon Care Super Firm (yellow), Eco Styler (clear), KMFUM, HESMU
HG's: Cure Care condish, Ion Reconstructor
GFTN is full of oils and is extremely moisturizing, maybe too much for your hair? My hair is more coarse and was ok with it, but it might be too much with medium. Medium hair is all about balance, trying not to overdo the moisture/protein balance either way. You can use products that have mild moisturizers and a little protein, but you don't need to load up on oils or do a PT for two hours on a regular basis, so it's actually pretty nice!
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
I never thought about the GFTN having a lot of oils in it.

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Originally Posted by TammyH
Yeah, it's a very heavy conditioner! One of the most moisturizing ones I know of
whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
What was the video? Lol I really need to watch it cuz I am so confused about mine!

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Marsha's blog on protein/texture/porosity might help you, as there are "visuals."

Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)

Many curlies thing they have coarser hair because it's dry. Once they get the moisture right, it ends up being fine. You could also have your hair analyzed Live Curly Live Free - Hair Analysis, if you still have questions.

Medium hair usually does well with most proteins. It may not need as much as fine or porous hair, but it's not usually to avoid.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I was watching a video on youtube earlier that explained the different hair textures and what kind of products you should use...and now I'm completely confused...

This may be kinda long...I apologize in advance....

In the video she explained that med/coarse hair doesn't need protein and that fine hair does need it to help make it stronger.

But awhile ago, I noticed it was feeling mushy after beginning to use GF triple nutrition (which is protein free)- and when I did a strand test - it stretched really really far before breaking. So I posted on the nc boards to find out what was wrong...someone suggested a PT. I did one and WOW my hair was amazing afterward. When I did a strand test last night, it still stretches, but not as much as before.

I have always thought I had medium textured hair because when I hold it up to the light, you can definitely see the strand, I have healthy hair because I haven't straightened or colored it in a very long time.

After putting up my GFTN, I went back to VO5MM (in my stash) and my hair seemed to go back to its old self. But after taking a closer look at the ingredients, they're protein free too. So I'm guessing that the PT is what did the trick.

Also, in the video, she explained that medium hair should use humectants and emollients. I had an awful experience with GVP conditioning balm at a rainy football game. I never ever want my hair to look like that again.

So my questions are this..

#1 - can I have medium textured hair and need protein? I definitely don't fall into the fine texture category.
#2 - if I am medium textured - why did my hair get freaky after using a humectant?
#3 - if it is moisture that I lack - any suggestions for a DT? I'm almost out of my SM DT...

Thank you ladies sooooo much for taking the time to read my post and respond....
Originally Posted by TammyH
Hello Tammy,

#1 I have hair that I have declared fine-medium (because I'm convinced it sits somewhere there on the spectrum) that LOVES protein. I know that lots of people with medium textured hair use products with protein and do an occasional protein treatment with no problem. Your hair's porosity explains its love for protein. The protein fortifies the hair shaft and helps fill in the gaps in the cuticles (as I understand it) so you don't merely have to have fine hair to enjoy it.

#2 The use of a humectant should be double checked with the weather. If the dew point is too high or too low, you are better off avoiding humectants. In high dews, they introduce more moisture into your hair causing it to frizz. In low dews, they draw moisture out of your hair causing it to frizz. Additionally, the use of heave emollients (oils) is not recommended on a daily basis for hair with normal texture; a conditioner rich with emollients used every week as a DT might produce better results for you. The thing about medium everything is that you need more MOISTURE (as water coupled with a cationic compound that helps it bind with your hair) than anything else. Kinky Curly knot today is a great example of a conditioner that is rich with moisture but doesn't have proteins or heavy oils.

#3 I also find (for some reason, maybe because of its smell?) that curl rehab is a great deep treatment that is moisturizing but that doesn't rely entirely on oils and butters the way the jessicurl conditioners tend to.

Approach humectants with care armed with information about dew points! This is a great post for understanding dew points: Dew Points Pittsburgh Curly.

Also, try acid rinses or rinsing with cold water to close down your cuticle to avoid loss of moisture and frizz (since your hair is porous).

Hope this helps!
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Texture: fine-medium
Porosity: high-normal
Elasticity: normal
Experimenting with making my own products. Hair loves protein.

Last edited by Farah85; 12-20-2011 at 08:06 AM.
Hello Tammy,

#1 I have hair that I have declared fine-medium (because I'm convinced it sits somewhere there on the spectrum) that LOVES protein. I know that lots of people with medium textured hair use products with protein and do an occasional protein treatment with no problem. Your hair's porosity explains its love for protein. The protein fortifies the hair shaft and helps fill in the gaps in the cuticles (as I understand it) so you don't merely have to have fine hair to enjoy it.

#2 The use of a humectant should be double checked with the weather. If the dew point is too high or too low, you are better off avoiding humectants. In high dews, they introduce more moisture into your hair causing it to frizz. In low dews, they draw moisture out of your hair causing it to frizz. Additionally, the use of heave emollients (oils) is not recommended on a daily basis for hair with normal texture; a conditioner rich with emollients used every week as a DT might produce better results for you. The thing about medium everything is that you need more MOISTURE (as water coupled with a cationic compound that helps it bind with your hair) than anything else. Kinky Curly knot today is a great example of a conditioner that is rich with moisture but doesn't have proteins or heavy oils.

#3 I also find (for some reason, maybe because of its smell?) that curl rehab is a great deep treatment that is moisturizing but that doesn't rely entirely on oils and butters the way the jessicurl conditioners tend to.

Approach humectants with care armed with information about dew points! This is a great post for understanding dew points: Dew Points Pittsburgh Curly.

Also, try acid rinses or rinsing with cold water to close down your cuticle to avoid loss of moisture and frizz (since your hair is porous).

Hope this helps![/QUOTE]

Fine/medium...yep that's me!!! WooHoo (happy dance!!!)

The GFTN is full of oils..at first my hair was awesome...then went to mush...but now that I think about it, none of the products that I was using at that time had protein in them...so my hair was starving for it....and after doing a quick PT with the Sally Ion (red packet)...my curl is much better and my hair doesn't stretch as much....

Aha! I live in Texas so right now...humectants are on my 'no-no' list.....

I was trying to see if I could use the same product for all steps of my routine..co-wash,RO, LI...but since my hair is medium and I need that moisture/protein balance, I will have to determine what product to use for each step...

Thank you for all of the info .....
3b/High porosity/Fine - Medium density/Medium texture
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVPCB
Co-wash/RO: Cure Care, Tresemme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave In: Tresemme Naturals, Renpure Moisturizing
Stylers:AIF, Salon Care Super Firm (yellow), Eco Styler (clear), KMFUM, HESMU
HG's: Cure Care condish, Ion Reconstructor

Last edited by TammyH; 12-20-2011 at 09:47 AM. Reason: I do a cool rinse to remove my RO and I do ACV rinse after my BaSo clarifying wash once a month...should I add an ACV rinse?
Marsha's blog on protein/texture/porosity might help you, as there are "visuals."

Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)

Many curlies thing they have coarser hair because it's dry. Once they get the moisture right, it ends up being fine. You could also have your hair analyzed Live Curly Live Free - Hair Analysis, if you still have questions.

Medium hair usually does well with most proteins. It may not need as much as fine or porous hair, but it's not usually to avoid.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Thank you for the link Kathy! I absolutely agree...before going CG my hair was dry...even though I haven't straightened or colored it in years..I thought it was coarse...now that I've got some moisture in it, I can see a difference...but I would have never considered my hair to be fine...do you still sell samples?
3b/High porosity/Fine - Medium density/Medium texture
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVPCB
Co-wash/RO: Cure Care, Tresemme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave In: Tresemme Naturals, Renpure Moisturizing
Stylers:AIF, Salon Care Super Firm (yellow), Eco Styler (clear), KMFUM, HESMU
HG's: Cure Care condish, Ion Reconstructor
What was the video? Lol I really need to watch it cuz I am so confused about mine!

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Originally Posted by curlybran

I'm at work right now and can't access youtube...but I will post a link when I get home...

I found it by searching for naturally curly hair tutorial...her username is 'the shellest' I believe...
3b/High porosity/Fine - Medium density/Medium texture
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVPCB
Co-wash/RO: Cure Care, Tresemme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave In: Tresemme Naturals, Renpure Moisturizing
Stylers:AIF, Salon Care Super Firm (yellow), Eco Styler (clear), KMFUM, HESMU
HG's: Cure Care condish, Ion Reconstructor
Hello Tammy,

#1 I have hair that I have declared fine-medium (because I'm convinced it sits somewhere there on the spectrum) that LOVES protein. I know that lots of people with medium textured hair use products with protein and do an occasional protein treatment with no problem. Your hair's porosity explains its love for protein. The protein fortifies the hair shaft and helps fill in the gaps in the cuticles (as I understand it) so you don't merely have to have fine hair to enjoy it.

#2 The use of a humectant should be double checked with the weather. If the dew point is too high or too low, you are better off avoiding humectants. In high dews, they introduce more moisture into your hair causing it to frizz. In low dews, they draw moisture out of your hair causing it to frizz. Additionally, the use of heave emollients (oils) is not recommended on a daily basis for hair with normal texture; a conditioner rich with emollients used every week as a DT might produce better results for you. The thing about medium everything is that you need more MOISTURE (as water coupled with a cationic compound that helps it bind with your hair) than anything else. Kinky Curly knot today is a great example of a conditioner that is rich with moisture but doesn't have proteins or heavy oils.

#3 I also find (for some reason, maybe because of its smell?) that curl rehab is a great deep treatment that is moisturizing but that doesn't rely entirely on oils and butters the way the jessicurl conditioners tend to.

Approach humectants with care armed with information about dew points! This is a great post for understanding dew points: Dew Points Pittsburgh Curly.

Also, try acid rinses or rinsing with cold water to close down your cuticle to avoid loss of moisture and frizz (since your hair is porous).

Hope this helps!
Originally Posted by TammyH
Fine/medium...yep that's me!!! WooHoo (happy dance!!!)

The GFTN is full of oils..at first my hair was awesome...then went to mush...but now that I think about it, none of the products that I was using at that time had protein in them...so my hair was starving for it....and after doing a quick PT with the Sally Ion (red packet)...my curl is much better and my hair doesn't stretch as much....

Aha! I live in Texas so right now...humectants are on my 'no-no' list.....

I was trying to see if I could use the same product for all steps of my routine..co-wash,RO, LI...but since my hair is medium and I need that moisture/protein balance, I will have to determine what product to use for each step...

Thank you for all of the info .....[/QUOTE]

Tammy, in my search for conditioners that work well for my hair type (which sounds pretty similar to yours), these are the ones that I found work really well:

1. Spiral Solutions Protein Treatment (I actually use some of this as leave in when I style my hair and my hair LOVES it). It might be too heavy for most people for daily use so approach with caution
2. Curl Junkie Strengthening Conditioner and Curl Junkie repair me (both have some protein but repair me has much, much more and my hair also LOVES it). Also: Curl Rehab by Curl Junkie. In fact, most things Curl Junkie are just so well formulated I can drool over them when I'm doing some online shopping. Is it possible to drool over conditioner? I know I do..
3. Kinky Curly Knot Today (although I find that I can rarely use this on its own because my hair still likes SOME oils to be happy. But it's good for a moisture boost in conjunction with a fatty conditioner)
4. I use Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition and Jessicurl conditioners but in conjunction with something less fatty most days.

You will develop an ability to SENSE what your hair wants on any given day as you apply leave in based on how the curls are clumping and forming, so some of this needs time and patience.

My go-to styler for the low dews (no glycerin which my hair tends to dislike but which still exists in a lot of conditioners I buy *sob*) is Curl Junkie Curl Queen. My hair loves that stuff. It can be a bit pricey though. Homemade FSG is still my HG but when I want that extra extra polished look I opt for some Curl Queen topped with BRHG or another hard-hold gel.

Most of the products above are available at curlmart. The ones that aren't are available at drugstores..

Happy experimenting!
Texture: fine-medium
Porosity: high-normal
Elasticity: normal
Experimenting with making my own products. Hair loves protein.
Marsha's blog on protein/texture/porosity might help you, as there are "visuals."

Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)

Many curlies thing they have coarser hair because it's dry. Once they get the moisture right, it ends up being fine. You could also have your hair analyzed Live Curly Live Free - Hair Analysis, if you still have questions.

Medium hair usually does well with most proteins. It may not need as much as fine or porous hair, but it's not usually to avoid.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Thank you for the link Kathy! I absolutely agree...before going CG my hair was dry...even though I haven't straightened or colored it in years..I thought it was coarse...now that I've got some moisture in it, I can see a difference...but I would have never considered my hair to be fine...do you still sell samples?
Originally Posted by TammyH
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3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
What was the video? Lol I really need to watch it cuz I am so confused about mine!

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Originally Posted by curlybran

here it is...hope this helps...

Buying products for curly hair - YouTube
3b/High porosity/Fine - Medium density/Medium texture
PT: Ion Reconstructor
DT: GVPCB
Co-wash/RO: Cure Care, Tresemme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave In: Tresemme Naturals, Renpure Moisturizing
Stylers:AIF, Salon Care Super Firm (yellow), Eco Styler (clear), KMFUM, HESMU
HG's: Cure Care condish, Ion Reconstructor

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