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Accidental Curls 12-21-2011 06:21 PM

Professional vs. ordinary person
 
I have beenwondering if a hairdresser that specializes in curly/wavy hair can style (like applying products, and techniques like diffusing) curlyhair better than when someone does their own hair. And by someone, I mean someone like on this site that knows about curly hair. I thought since they specialize in curly hair and deal with it often they would be better at styling.

Of course, I can be completely wrong especially since I have never gone to a hair salon that knows about curly/wavy hair aside from using a curling iron. Ijust wondering about this for specialevents since my hair tends to be a hit or miss.

CalamityM 12-22-2011 05:03 PM

Sadly I rarely like it when a stylist does my hair. There's always something about it that I just don't care for - I honestly get better results when I do it myself. Even when I go to a curly hair salon. I've had years to experiment with products and techniques so I know exactly what my hair likes and doesn't like. Stylists never seem to get it right.

The WORST was when I went to a salon in Toronto that had great reviews for cutting hair. They didn't specialize in curly hair, but I thought that since they got rave reviews I'd leave looking awesome. Not so. I walked in with my hair styled and the people at the front desk were all remarking on how great my curls looked. When I left my hair was a frizzy poofy mess. The girl at the counter actually looked aghast and said hopefully "Do you like it?" It was so bad compared to how I walked in it was laughable. Even the stylist looked kind of disappointed - I felt bad for him. As soon as I walked out of the salon I pulled it up into a ponytail and rushed home to wash it.

NYCgirl 12-22-2011 05:51 PM

In general I think curly girls (and guys) are generally "do it your selfers" so we go through the trial and error to find out which products work the best for our hair along with the various styling techniques that we feel brings out our best curls, not to mention each technique may have different styling products attached to it.

When you go to a salon, most, maybe not all, generally have a particular product line or two that they use and that's it. If your salon happens to use the products that you use when you do your own hair then you've hit the jackpot!! You've hit a double jackpot if you can find a stylist who uses the same products and applies it as you would, meaning, I don't know about you but I make sure all my strands are coated and I can tell when I've not done a thorough job.

Then there's the issue of styling techniques. Some salons have a few options but the costs can vary. My stylist does a coilout on my hair which is fine cause I don't have the patience to do this on my own hair but she doesn't use a single product that I use to do my own hair with. For me the biggest issue there is IMO my hair is significantly drier when my stylist does it than when I do it. So I usually do a little "extra" to it as soon as I get home to moisturize my coils.

Anywho, I got off track, some salons offer wash-n-go/shingling styling and some will do twists and other styling services so if your preferred styling method isn't offered or is at a premium $ that you don't feel like paying then you have to decide what to settle for.

I love my salon and my stylist; she got me through a long-term transition and I trust her fully. However, if I were to entertain going to a new salon, if I didn't have a personal reference, I would pick up the phone and call prospective salons and ask about products they use, what types of styling they do as well as the techniques they use for detangling, cleansing and conditioning natural/curly hair. I read a horror story on a thread where a stylist or maybe the infamous "shampoo girl" DRY COMBED someone's hair!! I would have left that salon WITH THE QUICKNESS! I can do my own damage, nevermind paying someone to do it for me.

In closing, don't be afraid to ask questions and most of all don't ever be afraid to get the hell up out of a stylists chair at any time you feel uncomfortable with what is being done to your hair. Its your hair, your money and your time, all of which is valuable to YOU.

Accidental Curls 12-22-2011 08:52 PM

^That was very informative. That makes a lot of sense that we fine tune our stylingtechniques since we spend a lot of time experimenting. Maybe it might be trickier to deal with curly hair because of taking intoaccount porosity, density and other factors? I notice from this forum that people’s haircan react differently to products and techniques even with similar hair propertiesso that could complicate things probably.


Whoa, dry combing hair? That sounds like a horrible disaster. Maybe it’s this site but Ijust don’t understand how she could think combing her hair dry would be a goodidea. After one or two strokes could the stylist not see the damage done? Yikes.

After reading your comments,I think I might have to look around for a new stylist later on. I have beenhesitant in the past to ask past hairdressers about their techniques for myhair and make suggestions. They seem to react a bit insulted. However, I might haveto inquire about technique because I want to avoid any hair surprise disasters.I have had too many of those.



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Originally Posted by CalamityM (Post 1841689)
Sadly I rarely like it when a stylist does my hair. There's always something about it that I just don't care for - I honestly get better results when I do it myself. Even when I go to a curly hair salon. I've had years to experiment with products and techniques so I know exactly what my hair likes and doesn't like. Stylists never seem to get it right.

The WORST was when I went to a salon in Toronto that had great reviews for cutting hair. They didn't specialize in curly hair, but I thought that since they got rave reviews I'd leave looking awesome. Not so. I walked in with my hair styled and the people at the front desk were all remarking on how great my curls looked. When I left my hair was a frizzy poofy mess. The girl at the counter actually looked aghast and said hopefully "Do you like it?" It was so bad compared to how I walked in it was laughable. Even the stylist looked kind of disappointed - I felt bad for him. As soon as I walked out of the salon I pulled it up into a ponytail and rushed home to wash it.

Thanks foranswering. I have heard people say theyhad a better experience with more upscale salons, and I always wonderedsince. I have not tried a curly hairsalon, because I can’t afford it at the moment, and I am very, very skeptical andcynical (from bad experiences).
Your badexperience is absolutely what I am afraid of for sure. That sounds terrible. Ihave heard of a few Toronto salons that are supposed to be great. I’ll go infor a hair cut later on but stick to styling my own hair especially since myhair can be so fickle.



CalamityM 12-23-2011 09:01 AM

It's totally worth it to go to a curly hair salon though. They cut my hair in a way that leaves it looking awesome. My hair looks a lot better leaving a curly hair salon vs going somewhere else. I just know exactly what my hair likes and how to style it so it looks perfect, but that's hard for a salon to replicate since they're not working on MY unique hair each day. It's more important for me to get a cut that I like...then I can go home and have great hair every day. If you can I'd save up for a cut at a special curly salon. In Toronto I like the Curly Hair Institute and The Curl Ambassadors. Depending on what stylist you choose you can reduce the cost of the cut.

naturalnewb 12-24-2011 01:15 AM

Just wanted to open with: I wouldn't really sweat the differences in product lines with a hair dresser. When I was relaxed, I would occasionally bring products with me and I never had a stylist flatly refuse to use them on me. I have had a couple that balked a bit and then tried to sell me on the benefits of the products they use in their salon, but bottom line is that you're a paying customer so, in the end, they'll use the stuff you bring in if you request it.


With that out of the way, I have to say that I am EXTREMELY nervous about salons and I have not been to one since I stopped relaxing my hair about 2 years ago. I'm more concerned with technique (getting a bad cut, bad dye job, etc). I don't want to have to transition out of the damage that someone else does to my hair--lol I can do bad all by myself.

Accidental Curls 12-24-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CalamityM (Post 1842110)
It's totally worth it to go to a curly hair salon though. They cut my hair in a way that leaves it looking awesome. My hair looks a lot better leaving a curly hair salon vs going somewhere else. I just know exactly what my hair likes and how to style it so it looks perfect, but that's hard for a salon to replicate since they're not working on MY unique hair each day. It's more important for me to get a cut that I like...then I can go home and have great hair every day. If you can I'd save up for a cut at a special curly salon. In Toronto I like the Curly Hair Institute and The Curl Ambassadors. Depending on what stylist you choose you can reduce the cost of the cut.

I will keep this in mind when I need a hair cut in next few months. Thanks

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Originally Posted by naturalnewb (Post 1842649)
Just wanted to open with: I wouldn't really sweat the differences in product lines with a hair dresser. When I was relaxed, I would occasionally bring products with me and I never had a stylist flatly refuse to use them on me. I have had a couple that balked a bit and then tried to sell me on the benefits of the products they use in their salon, but bottom line is that you're a paying customer so, in the end, they'll use the stuff you bring in if you request it.


With that out of the way, I have to say that I am EXTREMELY nervous about salons and I have not been to one since I stopped relaxing my hair about 2 years ago. I'm more concerned with technique (getting a bad cut, bad dye job, etc). I don't want to have to transition out of the damage that someone else does to my hair--lol I can do bad all by myself.

Until joining the forum, I never knew it was acceptable to bring your own products in and you could walk out when the service was bad. So I am glad to know I don't have to take it.

I understand being very nervous. After learning about curly hair I have begin to question some things said to me by some hairstylists. Last summer I was told that the reason curly hair tended to be on the dry side was because curly hair was damaged hair in need of control. When I questioned her reasoning she seemed to get a bit defensive. But a lot of people believe things like this sadly.


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