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Old 12-22-2011, 06:35 PM   #1
 
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Default The salon thinned my 10 year olds hair w/o asking

Help. Someone tell me this isn't a disaster.

She has very challenging hair. It's very thick, coarse and wavy. I've never been able to get actual curls out of it.

To prevent it from being bushy I've always had her wear it long. (below shoulder length) Today I took her in for a bang trim and told them to take an inch off the back.

This place has been very reliable so I wasn't paying too much attention. When she was finished the stylist told me she thinned it. I think she may have asked my daughter about it but my daughter didn't understand what she was asking.

Now I'm terrified that it's going to be a total mess when it starts to grow out. It's MUCH thinner and already looks a little frizzy. But maybe that's my imagination. Her hair is always a bit frizzy no matter how much conditioner I put in it.

Has anyone had this done with thick wavy hair?
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I'm attempting to upload a picture from earlier this month. I'm not sure what hair type this is.
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Old 12-22-2011, 06:58 PM   #3
 
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I had this done at my last haircut before I went CG (haircut was probably late summer/early fall). The stylist announced that she was going to remove some weight from my hair and before I knew what was happening I saw pieces of hair flying everywhere. I have some frustration with it at times, but honestly, I'm probably the only person who notices it and that's only because I spend way too much time analyzing my hair. I was just talking about this with some of my co-workers today!

BTW, your daughter has absolutely beautiful hair!
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Oh wow! I loveeee your daughter's hair! Sorry, I have no advice! It's maybe 2a?
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She has beautiful hair. I would say she may actually be a 2b. Are you trying CG on her? That might maximize her curl potential.

As for the thinning, I've been there. Again trying CG might help in that if she gains more curl, it will hide the thining. The only other thing you can do for the thinning is keep getting trims. I actually cut a lot of my hair off to get some of the excess thinning of it. I don't know if your daughter will be open to that, but remember that kids' hair tends to grow really quickly.
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Yeah, hopefully the other commenters are right and it won't be that bad growing out. Sorry that happened to you guys. I was wondering, do you have her hair layered? Long layers can really help bring out more curl, because hair that's all one length can easily weigh itself down. I have 2c hair, and it becomes pretty flat when it's all one length.
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I have always had very thick poofy hair, I have to wear it long too You should try getting some long layers cut in. When my hair is all one length, it's unbearably huge! Also, don't worry, I'm sure the thinning won't be that bad at all. She has lovely hair!
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Thanks everyone!! I really appreciate the replies.


I do have it a little layered. Not much however. To tell you the truth it's so hard to manage that I've been afraid to touch it. (i.e. I'm a chicken.)
Everytime I've taking her to a nice hairdresser they've said there is nothing they can do with it. They've even told me layers wouldn't look good because it's so thick.

It makes me sad to see how thin it is now. Oh well. I hope you all are right and it's not too bad growing back.

I'm not sure if we are doing the curly girl method or not. I only wash it once a week. One day I condition it only. We use John Frieda Frizz Ease products. Those made a world of difference in making it less dry and frizzy. Still no matter what I do it always looks a mess.
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btw, the second child in the picture is my big hair girl's twin. Obviously fraternal. LOL.

The twin has hair more like mine. It's been a big challenge to find a way to take care of all of this hair. I had no idea it could be so complicated.
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The Frizz Ease products would not be considered CG. The shampoo would be CG if it has no sulfates. I only made the switch myself in the beginning of November. I have more curl to my hair than your daughter, but I can definitely relate to the thick and difficult to control. It seemed absolutely counter-intuitive to drop all of my anti-frizz products and just use plain gel in my hair, but I did get much more control. It doesn't work for everyone, but it can produce some amazing results. I'm going to attempt to attach before and after pics. Both pics were after my hair-thinning experience. But you can see the decrease in poof...
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Thanks everyone!! I really appreciate the replies.


I do have it a little layered. Not much however. To tell you the truth it's so hard to manage that I've been afraid to touch it. (i.e. I'm a chicken.)
Everytime I've taking her to a nice hairdresser they've said there is nothing they can do with it. They've even told me layers wouldn't look good because it's so thick.

It makes me sad to see how thin it is now. Oh well. I hope you all are right and it's not too bad growing back.

I'm not sure if we are doing the curly girl method or not. I only wash it once a week. One day I condition it only. We use John Frieda Frizz Ease products. Those made a world of difference in making it less dry and frizzy. Still no matter what I do it always looks a mess.
Honestly, I think hair stylists just get lazy when it comes to dealing with thick hair. I hate to sound snobby but I feel like barely any of them know how to deal with it, so they just tell you that anything you ask for "won't look good" -- it happens to be all the time! For example, what happened to me when I was like 14: "Hey stylist, I want bangs." "Hey Steph, they won't look good. I'm going to leave your hair all one length with no layers." Turns out -- one length looks AWFUL, and bangs are the most flattering thing that has ever happened to my hair and face, lol! And hair stylists always REFUSED to do that for me until I found a really good, really patient one.

But I mean, it is possible your daughter's hair might be diferent than mine. I still do stick to my suggestion of layers though I think it has the potential to make a world of difference for her hair. You can also try using slightly heavier products.
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:11 AM   #12
 
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I would say careful you don't make her feel like her hair is a problem. Also, maybe her hair isn't meant to be curly. There's nothing wrong with wavy hair. I know you are trying to look out for her, but honestly I don't see anything wrong with her hair. Layers would look nice and that might bring out the wave pattern a bit more. My sister's hair is similar and it used to be one lenght too, but she's been using it layered for years and is even wearing it just above shoulder lenght now and it looks great.

There are many clueless stylists out there so just keep looking until you find the right one.
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OK I have a teen with similar hair. Very thick but not very wavy. She had it all one length and long because I could not figure out how to cut it.

I swear I looked at it for TWO YEARS, telling her I could not figure out how to cut it to make it look better!

Then one day it was like a lightbulb went on in my head, and I tried long layers on her. Wow. From slightly poofy princess hair to loose shiny rock star waves.

I do think this kind of hair looks spectacular very long and all one length, you can do big thick braids and lots of neat stuff with it. But it is hard to manage and you always have to do something to it.

The long layers were like magic, no kidding. It is more of a one-trick pony hairstyle, too layered to braid or anything. But it looks good, consistently. She's had it different lengths, from above shoulder to mid-back and it works at all of them.

I do it myself, pulling the top up and cutting it in a diagonal line going up from forehead back to crown, then did the back and sides pretty much standard horizontal layering. More agressive layers than a curly 'long layers' cut but not a shag. Then shape the front and edges.

I really recommend you give the long layers a try.
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Robin, If you have pictures I would love to see them. It is hard to manage and always has to be fixed. She's getting to the age when she will start doing things on her own without me. Also to the age when little girls start teasing. I'd love to find something that works better.

I agree with whoever said that stylest can be lazy when it comes to thick hair. It does seem like someone would have a suggestion. (well I guess I found someone who did do something. LOL)

I'll try to take her to a different place and get layers cut in once we get past the thinning incident. It really doesn't look great. I wonder how long it will take to grow back.
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Old 12-26-2011, 03:36 PM   #15
 
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Maybe it's the lighting, but I don't see frizz in the photos. Her hair is lovely. I agree with the long layered haicut, as well as not treating hairstylists as if they're experts. Most have no idea what to do with hair that isn't medium fine and mostly straight.

Your daughter's hair seems as if it would benefit from simplicity. Find a shampoo that has no sulfates or cones (including words that end in -xane). You can easily find these at a health food store or a Target, Wal-greens or CVS. Shampooing once a week seems like a good idea. But wih thick hair, conditioner is extremely important. Look for those that are more moisturizing, and I would try for at least three months, a cone and xane free conditioner, such as Tresemme Naturals or Regis Olive Oil conditioner. Using a little bit of a rinse out conditioner as a leave in and a little bit of gel will probably go a long way to eliminating frizz and poof.
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I'm going to go along the long layers bandwagon. Depending on how much thinning went on, it can take anywhere from a couple months to a year for the hair to grow back sufficiently. And I guess it depends on whether thinning shears (the scissor kind) or the thinning razor was used. If it was the thinning razor, then only the ends were "thinned" and it should grow out relatively easy. If the thinning shears were used, then it all depends on how far up the hair the stylist thinned. I personally hate thinning shears and refused to use them when I was going to cosmetology school (didn't finish). They create holes in the hair if you use them for more than one haircut and if you aren't super careful, it can turn into one big trainwreck.

As your daughter is growing out the thinning hackjob (I agree with others not to mention this to your daughter), going shorter might be necessary, but getting the long layers will help reduce how noticeable the thinning is as it grows out and will help remove some of that thinning hackjob, too.

If needed, when you go to a stylist...you can either ask for long layers or ask for a haircut with either 45 degree layers (less layers, but will still give you long layers, her shortest layer would probably be just below her shoulders if you keep it the same length) or 90 degree layers (will give you more layers and take out more bulk in the hair...for how long your daughter's hair is right now, I would guess that a 90 degree layer cut would probably put her shortest layer at a couple inches below chin length or right above her shoulders). This estimation is with her current wave status. If you cut it, her waves may tighten up, so the layers may bounce up a little.

Hopefully that might help you a little.
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Robin, If you have pictures I would love to see them. It is hard to manage and always has to be fixed. She's getting to the age when she will start doing things on her own without me. Also to the age when little girls start teasing. I'd love to find something that works better.

I agree with whoever said that stylest can be lazy when it comes to thick hair. It does seem like someone would have a suggestion. (well I guess I found someone who did do something. LOL)

I'll try to take her to a different place and get layers cut in once we get past the thinning incident. It really doesn't look great. I wonder how long it will take to grow back.
This is an "after" at a medium length.
It's not always this curly, lately it's very loose waves but what the layers did was take out the bulk and make it behave. It did not make it puff out - quite the opposite.

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Your daughter's hair is EXACTLY like mine was when I was her age! When I was in middle school, it curled majorly, and I've been a 3b with a little 3a ever since. I wouldn't be surprised if hers didn't do the same.
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