*I'm desperate for clumps!* :)

does anyone have any advice about how to make my thick 3B curls clump together to make them bigger and more defined? i don't know how to style my hair to make the curls clump (i.e. diffuse? air dry? rake? scrunch?) also, are there any good products out there that could do the trick? (im not a hard core CG-er, so it's all right if they may have a few cones in them )
For me, I get more clumping when I plop for 15 minutes into a microfiber turban. Applying a cream or leaving in some conditioner before gel or mousse aids in clumping (Pink Boots, Jessicurl CC, a little bit of One Condition, etc). I scrunch my hair a lot, an it doesn't affect clumping, but for most people ( I believe ) scrunching a lot will make hair less clumpy...More voluminous perhaps, but not as defined. Diffusing also seems to have that effect, as well. If you need to dry your hair quickly, I'd suggest difussing about 50 -75% and then letting the rest air dry.
2b/3a/3b botticelli curls, medium fine, medium coarse

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I know exactly where you're coming from - clumping is a huge issue for me too. I'm still working on it, but here are some things that I've found that help. First of all, I have to be careful not to rake too much. It's hard, because with thick hair it's also hard to get product all through it, but if I rake more than 3-4 times I get skinny curls. Using a leave in under gel helps. Re:coil and boots also help, although I'm new to Boots so I'm still trying to figure out how much to use. Scrunching helps to a point, but too much and the curls seem to start falling apart again. Oh, and it also helps to put product in very wet hair (like dripping wet).

That's all I can think of right now. I'd love to hear other people's suggestions too! And I'd also like to know which gels are better for clumping (if you don't mind me adding a little question of my own ).
thick 3b; currently loving Devacurl and Kinky-Curly

I get big clumps and I prefer to break them up so my hair has more volume and curls up m ore. I think generally 3b is smaller curls.
However I'll say what I do on my best clumping days since it seems to work for most the same way.

I rinse my conditioner upside down, that way when I go to put my gel etc in I don't break up the clumps flipping upside down. I leave my hair dripping wet and apply a leave in conditioner then my gel. No raking, then I squeeze out excess water but I have to leave enough water in for my hair to look plump still. I diffuse, I get flat hair without this and it keeps my gel from getting so stiff. When my hair is 80% dry I scrunch out any crunch. Sometimes I diffuse a bit more but generally I air dry. If after air drying more crunch appears I scrunch that out.

Now if it's real dry out I might use a curl creme like boots or one from curl junkie, or recoil.

For me also things with peach or aloe in it makes my hair clump really really well
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
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If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Now that I got my 3a/b haircut, its turned into 2c/3a superclumps! Any suggestions on how to "un-clump hair" would be good too!

Joliecurls, I plopped my hair for 15 min in my microfiber towel today, then scrunched like crazy, and my hair is clumpier than ever. I didn't use any products. But our hair seems like opposites, your hair is less curly with length, while mine is more curly with length. After seeing your hair pics this morning, I though my hair would be more curly at this length, but I was wrong!
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back to basics pomegranite (sp?) and peach conditioner.
I've never had such thick clumps before. ever.

2c/3a
Growing out hair to a little above bsl
pw: ringlets
A little Jessicurl Confident Coils raked in hair between my fingers gives me clumps.
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unique, crazy clumps eh?!
Yeah the conditioner rocks for clumps. I'll never be without it again
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Oh man, you guys are such a bad influence. I've been reading about the B2B conditioner on the product review boards and telling myself over and over, I don't need it, I don't need it...Now I think I'm gonna have to get some. I may need a bigger bathroom soon!
thick 3b; currently loving Devacurl and Kinky-Curly

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the B2B is great at detangling and clumping...and the price is good. It's thick, smells great and works wonders on my hair.
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3b/a
Cowash - No Poo, Suave Coconut
Conditioner - One Condition
Leave In - KCKT
Gel - KCCC at the moment
First of all, I have to be careful not to rake too much. It's hard, because with thick hair it's also hard to get product all through it, but if I rake more than 3-4 times I get skinny curls.
Originally Posted by 1curlydoc
thanks for the advice! i have been hearing that a lot lately, and it makes a lot of sense to not break up all of the curls. but, like you said, it seems that if i don't rake, i do not distribute the product evenly. this seems to always cause more frizz because not all of my hair is covered in product. any advice about how to still apply product evenly and coat every curl to minimize frizz without raking? my attempts at scrunching product in have always resulted in giving my hair too much volume since my hair is so thick, and it breaks up the curls and makes them frizzy. hhmmm.....what should i do?

also.....i have never heard of the B2B pomegranate/peach product. it sounds really interesting! what is it exactly, and where can i find it? is it a good price?
For me, Deva One C as a conditioner and leave in gives me great clumps.
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it seems that if i don't rake, i do not distribute the product evenly. this seems to always cause more frizz because not all of my hair is covered in product. any advice about how to still apply product evenly and coat every curl to minimize frizz without raking? my attempts at scrunching product in have always resulted in giving my hair too much volume since my hair is so thick, and it breaks up the curls and makes them frizzy
I know, it's really tough - I think the combo of 3b curls which have a tendency to be skinny and thick hair which makes it hard to get product everywhere can be very frustrating. It's funny to hear you ask about this because it's my number one difficulty with my hair. I'm still working on it. Through trial and error I've found that my hair has to be really wet when I scrunch product through - that seems to help with distribution and also with clumping. I was having trouble with frizzing in the outer layer of hair for a while, but then I discovered that if I smooth some product on those layers while upright, then go upside down and smooth some more on, then scrunch it seems to coat everything better. It's also really important for me not to touch my hair anymore once I've applied my product. I can't scrunch when my hair is anything but sopping wet (some curlies on these boards will apply one product, then air or diffuse dry part way and then scrunch in another one - if I did that I'd have a frizzy mess of skinny curls). I have to let it dry all the way - then I can scrunch with some kind of finishing product to calm any frizzies that have developed (Right now I'm liking Deva Set it Free for this).

Hope this all makes sense and that it helps.

By the way, I'd love to see pictures of your hair - it sounds like we could be hair twins!
thick 3b; currently loving Devacurl and Kinky-Curly

I see that a lot of you put product in wet hair, but after some testing I found out that it doesn't work for me.
When I want clumping, I plop for 20 min. with a microfibre towel.
Then I scrunch with the towel & when 85% dry, I add styling.
(HE SMU).
2C/3A,jetblack indian curls
curlydoc--that's a good idea to smooth product onto the top layer (without raking) before scrunching. it makes sense that this would hold all of the frizz down while you scrunch. i'm going to try that! also, i looked at your fotki....your hair is GORGEOUS! there is absolutely no frizz and the curls are really defined! i think my hair has the potential to be that way because from what i can see my hair is a lot like yours when it comes to thickness and the type of curl, only mine is about five inches past my shoulders and the curls do not look as defined as yours. (sorry...i would post pictures but my camera is currently not working ) i'm not on the CG routine yet...are you? i am going to the store today to try and find the CG book. i can't wait! hopefully that will make a big difference as well.

esmerelda--my hair is a really thick, poofy, fuzzy texture, and i have found that if i let it dry for too long without putting any product in to calm it down then i just end up looking like a poodle. thanks for the advice, though...i can see that your method would work for a lot of curlies. its just that my hair is annoyingly, frustratingly, abnormally stubborn.
I know it can be tougher for a 3B and c to get bigger clumps like the #a since 3b&c hair just has a skinnier curl by nature.

I put all of my hair together and comb in my leave in and product. It sort of makes on giant clump. Then I scrunch and it breaks up into smaller clumps. It doesn't always work because I'm a more stereotypical 3B so the curls can be skinny. But, it usually works if I try to keep my hair as together as possible while applying product.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
What really works for me is to brush through my conditioner and styler with a paddle brush when my hair is dripping wet. It gives me so much clumping I usually have to break some of the curls up. I have some pictures of the results in my albums, hth.
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Thanks curlsrock! You're so sweet! I am pretty much CG although I don't stress about it too much. I don't find that cones mess my hair up particularly. Proteins don't bother my hair either like some curlies find. I also can't over condition so I guess I really have it pretty easy. I'll occasionally play around with a product that has cones or something else that seems a little hard to get out so I generally use a gentle sulfate shampoo about once every other week. The rest of the time I use NoPoo, LowPoo, or just rinse or co wash. I kind of mix it up depending on how my hair feels.

I'm very interested to hear redcelticcurls' and clarita's techniques too - I'll have to try both of those. Guess I'll have to buy a brush, though, cause I don't think I've used one in about 15 or 20 years!

Oh, by the way, I've gotta put products in right away too or POOF! Our hair definitely sounds similar.
thick 3b; currently loving Devacurl and Kinky-Curly

Now that I got my 3a/b haircut, its turned into 2c/3a superclumps! Any suggestions on how to "un-clump hair" would be good too!

Joliecurls, I plopped my hair for 15 min in my microfiber towel today, then scrunched like crazy, and my hair is clumpier than ever. I didn't use any products. But our hair seems like opposites, your hair is less curly with length, while mine is more curly with length. After seeing your hair pics this morning, I though my hair would be more curly at this length, .but I was wrong!
Originally Posted by embudini
Hmm...You know...I have said more than once that my hair gets curlier as it gets shorter, but to think of it, I'm not sure anymore. I have a feeling part of the reason it was less curly was that my hair has never been super healthy at longer (bra strap) lengths. In your avatar, my hair looks very similar when it is that length..Hmmm weird... It's been said that true 3a hair gets curlier with a little length and 3b gets curlier as it gets shorter, but honestly I don't take this as the gospel. My hair is definitely not full-blown 3b hair by any means.

Not trying to guano but....ETA: If you can't remember the last time you cut your hair that short you might want to wait before saying you've lost some curl. When I got my hair cut this short my hair looked stick straight after she cut it. I scrunched in mousse and I got 2b with some 3a's. A few days later and my hair was 3a/b.. not only did it return to its normal state but got even curlier. I think it is a combination of cutting off damage, the shorter cut and the layers
2b/3a/3b botticelli curls, medium fine, medium coarse

Photos: http://www.fotki.com/joliecurls
I've always gotten the best clumps from using sebastian potion no 9 as a finishing product. Good cluming and wonderful shine. (See 1st 2 photos in my fotki). I'm going back to my old, old routine for a few months to see if I can get those awesome loopy clumps again.

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Current Routine: L'Oreal Vive Pro Nutrigloss conditioner, Light Headed Melting Gel. Weekly shampoo with Dramatics Color Care shampoo.

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