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Old 03-10-2012, 09:30 AM   #1
 
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Default ACV, Isnt it the same as white vinegar

On these boards ive heard so much about a baking soda rinse followed with an ACV rinse.... if i have it figured out its that you scrub your head with baking soda, wash, and then follow with an ACV, hope that's right? Anyways finding baking soda isn't much of a problem since its available everywhere including my house but ACV is. Where i live ive never heard of ACV and unless places like shop rite and path mark have it its not available to me. I don't go to health food stores and i dont think they even exist here so i was wondering if i could just use plain vinegar( or white vinegar) and dilute it. If anyone here does do that, how do you dilute it? Also, how much baking soda do you use and do you add water to the mix? Thanks in advance
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:05 AM   #2
 
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Apple Cider Vinegar is a stronger form of the white vinegar. I use both because I have both for cleaning purposes in my house.

I don't measure out my dilutions. I have a spray bottle I keep in my shower. Normally I fill half with vinegar and half with water, but it varies when I re-fill it.

A tip for the baking soda. I read on a thread somewhere that someone mixed their baking soda with some of their co-wash conditioner. I have to say I like this much better instead of trying to make a BS paste with water. :]
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:34 AM   #3
 
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They say that unfiltered, unsulfured ACV is the best, as it retains some nutrients and whatnot, but it's a bit expensive and hard to find (you'll have to go to a health food store). However, I doubt your hair can "absorb" said nutrients, so it's really the acidity we're after. In that case, I'm sure white vinegar and ACV are interchangeable. I've heard of people using diluted lemon juice instead because 1. it's still acidic, and 2. lemons are easily found just about anywhere and are cheap.

1 bottle of unfiltered and unsulfured ACV cost me about $8 bucks, and I've see no significant difference, though I was primarily drinking it (really yummy w/honey, just an FYI).
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Thanks for the post and i think im going to attempt using Baking Soda with White vinegar since me getting ACV is going to be nearly impossible. Also, using lemon juice sounds interesting maybe ill try that too
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:10 PM   #5
 
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No need to go to a health food store, you should be able to find ACV (apple cider vinegar) at any grocery store.

When I used baking soda, I mixed it with my cowash conditioner and scrubbed like I would with a normal cowash. Then I rinsed the baking soda cowash mix completely out before doing the ACV rinse.

As for ratios, I used Struttswife's recipes on Live Curly Live Free. 1 tablespoon baking soda + 3 tablespoons cowash conditioner. 1 tablespoon ACV + 1 cup water. For the ACV rinse, I mix up about a quart in a water bottle with a squirt top for easier application. It stays in my bathroom within easy reach, and I wash and refill the bottle when it's empty.

Like Sarah said, white vinegar or lemon juice will also work if you don't have ACV. Also, these days I do a weekly ACV rinse, and only use the baking soda if I have extraordinary buildup or need my hair super clean. So, if you don't like the baking soda and ACV rinse, you may like the ACV alone.
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No need to go to a health food store, you should be able to find ACV (apple cider vinegar) at any grocery store.

When I used baking soda, I mixed it with my cowash conditioner and scrubbed like I would with a normal cowash. Then I rinsed the baking soda cowash mix completely out before doing the ACV rinse.

As for ratios, I used Struttswife's recipes on Live Curly Live Free. 1 tablespoon baking soda + 3 tablespoons cowash conditioner. 1 tablespoon ACV + 1 cup water. For the ACV rinse, I mix up about a quart in a water bottle with a squirt top for easier application. It stays in my bathroom within easy reach, and I wash and refill the bottle when it's empty.

Like Sarah said, white vinegar or lemon juice will also work if you don't have ACV. Also, these days I do a weekly ACV rinse, and only use the baking soda if I have extraordinary buildup or need my hair super clean. So, if you don't like the baking soda and ACV rinse, you may like the ACV alone.
Thanks for the advice and this cowash/baking soda wash sounds interesting
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:01 PM   #7
 
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Yes I find acv at my regular ole grocery. They have non organic acv mixed in the section with the other white vinegar and they have the organic ones with the mother and all in the health/organic food section. I shop at kroger (Ohio).

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Old 03-11-2012, 12:57 PM   #8
 
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There is always Heinz brand apple cider vinegar in grocery stores. Or the odd batch of apple cider you buy and don't drink and it goes all vinegar-y in the fridge or cupboard...
White vinegar is made from grain, then distilled and made to a specific percentage (5%) of acetic acid. Apple cider vinegar is made from apples and whatever happens to it next depends on the brand.
I often see "fake" ACV in the store - it has color and "flavor" added to white vinegar.
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There is always Heinz brand apple cider vinegar in grocery stores. Or the odd batch of apple cider you buy and don't drink and it goes all vinegar-y in the fridge or cupboard...
White vinegar is made from grain, then distilled and made to a specific percentage (5%) of acetic acid. Apple cider vinegar is made from apples and whatever happens to it next depends on the brand.
I often see "fake" ACV in the store - it has color and "flavor" added to white vinegar.
Oh so they are different, but then whats the difference between acv and apple juice if their both ade basically from apples, sorry if I got everything mixed up so complex
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Apple cider vinegar is unfiltered apple cider which has been fermented beyond the point at which it would be alcoholic. cider is a bit cloudy and thicker, apple juice is filtered to look clear and it is watery - that's the difference.
Apple cider probably has some pectin and other goodies which are good (moisturizing) for hair. I feel that the kind at the grocery store (like Heinz) which has been filtered to be nice and clear and 5% acidity for canning aren't much different than white vinegar, other than that they cost more and taste/smell different. But if one spent the money for the cloudier-looking health food-store kind, that might be different. I have never tried it, so I'm just guessing.
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Apple cider vinegar is unfiltered apple cider which has been fermented beyond the point at which it would be alcoholic. cider is a bit cloudy and thicker, apple juice is filtered to look clear and it is watery - that's the difference.
Apple cider probably has some pectin and other goodies which are good (moisturizing) for hair. I feel that the kind at the grocery store (like Heinz) which has been filtered to be nice and clear and 5% acidity for canning aren't much different than white vinegar, other than that they cost more and taste/smell different. But if one spent the money for the cloudier-looking health food-store kind, that might be different. I have never tried it, so I'm just guessing.
o ok thank you for the clarification and i guess ill have to try both to say anything about it
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o ok thank you for the clarification and i guess ill have to try both to say anything about it
If you don't like them, vinegar is great for washing windows!
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Don't make the mistake of mixing baking soda and vinegar in one container. If you shake it up when it is closed, it will explode violently. And, don't ever swallow the vinegar and baking soda, this can cause your stomach to rupture!
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Don't make the mistake of mixing baking soda and vinegar in one container. If you shake it up when it is closed, it will explode violently. And, don't ever swallow the vinegar and baking soda, this can cause your stomach to rupture!
Knowing this is kinda making me doubt trying an acv/bs rinse
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Baking soda is alkaline and vinegar is an acid. Remember mixing them to power plastic toys in the bath? Just don't use them together. Use the baking soda, rinse out, use the vinegar. They are safe, just don't use them together.
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Don't make the mistake of mixing baking soda and vinegar in one container. If you shake it up when it is closed, it will explode violently. And, don't ever swallow the vinegar and baking soda, this can cause your stomach to rupture!
Knowing this is kinda making me doubt trying an acv/bs rinse
My hair loves a good BSACV rinse. :]
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