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Old 03-17-2012, 08:33 AM   #21
 
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The 4 forum has a really good thing going on ; I can't imagine anyone who's active there would be at all happy being combined with another forum. But, yeah, the whole combination hair type issue is something I think most naturally wavies/curlies/coilies deal with regularly. Although I'm definitely mostly 3b, I've got all kinds of 2s and 3s goin' on a little on my head.
(Sorry, don't mean to digress. My understanding was nc.com wanted to gauge interest in a forum on Mod CG, thus this particular thread.)
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I'd be interested. I've been strictly CG for a year and a half, and while I never want to go back to all sulfates and cones or frequent straightening, I do still experience difficulties with my hair and wonder if a tweak in my routine would help, including trying mod-CG, if something someone has tried caught my eye.


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I think there are already too many forums. With the exception of the 4a, and possibly the 2, most get very little "action." Most of the questions are posted to the General Discussion forum. As long as the title has the information, it's easy to see if it's a thread that you want to read.
Yes, but of course, if you don't want to click on a forum, you don' t have to; however, if there's a forum that a subset of people do want to have for focused discussion on a specific topic, then it's there for them. e.g. I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on the Recipes forum, but if I'm in the mood to look into some new homemade preparations, it's a forum I'm sure to go to, knowing I don't have to wade through a lot of non-recipe related stuff. I think that they're trying to gauge if that level of interest is there for a Modified CG forum.
It's a shame you choose to answer in this way. You asked for opinions, but don't seem to want ones that say no. Many people prefer not to answer, if they don't support the request. You've ruined the validity of this thread. In all likelihood, people who don't feel it's necessary won't bother to answer.

One of the most important questions is, "What is Modified CG??" Three or four years ago, there was a thread about that. I didn't (and don't) use silicones or sulfate, but did use natural soap bars (made of saponified oils), so I considered myself modified. In the original CG book, wavies could lowpoo once a week and still be CG, but curlies couldn't--so are they modified?? Everyone has differing opinions on the subject. It doesn't really matter. People should do what makes them happy.
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I think there are already too many forums. With the exception of the 4a, and possibly the 2, most get very little "action." Most of the questions are posted to the General Discussion forum. As long as the title has the information, it's easy to see if it's a thread that you want to read.
Yes, but of course, if you don't want to click on a forum, you don' t have to; however, if there's a forum that a subset of people do want to have for focused discussion on a specific topic, then it's there for them. e.g. I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on the Recipes forum, but if I'm in the mood to look into some new homemade preparations, it's a forum I'm sure to go to, knowing I don't have to wade through a lot of non-recipe related stuff. I think that they're trying to gauge if that level of interest is there for a Modified CG forum.
It's a shame you choose to answer in this way. You asked for opinions, but don't seem to want ones that say no. Many people prefer not to answer, if they don't support the request. You've ruined the validity of this thread. In all likelihood, people who don't feel it's necessary won't bother to answer.

One of the most important questions is, "What is Modified CG??" Three or four years ago, there was a thread about that. I didn't (and don't) use silicones or sulfate, but did use natural soap bars (made of saponified oils), so I considered myself modified. In the original CG book, wavies could lowpoo once a week and still be CG, but curlies couldn't--so are they modified?? Everyone has differing opinions on the subject. It doesn't really matter. People should do what makes them happy.
!! Actually, I didn't (and don't now) have a problem with anything you said about thinking there were too many forums. My response simply added something that I thought was helpful (i.e. No one has to click on a forum they're not interested in. Nothing more or less.).

Fortunately, the validity of the thread hasn't been ruined since whoever wants to share a thought is absolutely free to do so.

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I'd be interested. I've been strictly CG for a year and a half, and while I never want to go back to all sulfates and cones or frequent straightening, I do still experience difficulties with my hair and wonder if a tweak in my routine would help, including trying mod-CG, if something someone has tried caught my eye.


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The 4 forum has a really good thing going on ; I can't imagine anyone who's active there would be at all happy being combined with another forum. But, yeah, the whole combination hair type issue is something I think most naturally wavies/curlies/coilies deal with regularly. Although I'm definitely mostly 3b, I've got all kinds of 2s and 3s goin' on a little on my head.
(Sorry, don't mean to digress. My understanding was nc.com wanted to gauge interest in a forum on Mod CG, thus this particular thread.)
Just to clarify, I meant that the 3's could be one forum, 4's another (like the 2's-- where a b c all one group). I've read a lot of 4b's end up posting on 4a bc there is much more traffic. I end up posting in general mostly bc I won't get as many responses in 3a or 3b but if all 3's were combined...
This is a whole other issue though.

Back to mod CG...
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I think there are already too many forums. With the exception of the 4a, and possibly the 2, most get very little "action." Most of the questions are posted to the General Discussion forum. As long as the title has the information, it's easy to see if it's a thread that you want to read.
Yes, but of course, if you don't want to click on a forum, you don' t have to; however, if there's a forum that a subset of people do want to have for focused discussion on a specific topic, then it's there for them. e.g. I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on the Recipes forum, but if I'm in the mood to look into some new homemade preparations, it's a forum I'm sure to go to, knowing I don't have to wade through a lot of non-recipe related stuff. I think that they're trying to gauge if that level of interest is there for a Modified CG forum.


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I don't really think it is necessary to have a modified CG sub-forum for a lot of the reasons that KathyMack pointed out. There is already a "no-shampoo" sub-forum; why not just start a sticky in there for mod-CGers to asks their questions.

I usually only lurk/post in the 4a forum but most posters are mod-CG or don't subscribe to any particular methods, and it doesn't come up much (if at all) there. When I read in GenDisc or others it seems like it's up for debate quite often what is mod-CG and what isn't. So if no one really knows what that means then why dedicate a whole sub-forum to it when there is so much room for debate? And there are already lots of sub-forums that are ghost towns most of the time...

Oh and yes I am still waiting for the type 4 sub-forums to be combined as well. The board's priority truly should be to revise and/or draft a new hair typing system in general (thanks to the lovely survey going around ), but I digress...

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Kathymack and artemis513 made some very good points.

Instead of making a sub-forum for mod-CG, why not make some changes to the set up when you make a post. On another forum I post on, next to the Subject line there is a drop down box that contains options like 'How do I?', 'Question', etc. So when a person was browsing through the forums, they could easily see if the person just had a question about something or if they wanted to know how to do something. Why not do that here? There can be four options; CG for the curly girls, Mod-CG for those who classify their routines as Mod-CG, Non-CG which are those who do their own thing and don't give a flying fig about the CG method and just a blank space for general questions. That way, you can clearly see whether the thread is about a method that you do and know about.
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I agree with kathymack. There are too many forums that get little to no traffic. I was actually thinking of suggesting to mods to combine the 3's (and combine 4's).

Any questions related to CG or mod CG can go under "trying a shampoo free method". Just my opinion.
Not to stray from the original question, but there was a thread started in the Feedback forum yesterday on combining the 3 and 4 subtype into single forums like the 2s forum.
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Mmm, modified CG. Are we talking a la "Curly Girl" rules (Lorraine Massey's book) in which case the only no-nos are silicones and harsh shampoos (and brushing, slamming your hair in doors etc.). Mild shampoos are okay for those who want some bubbles in their lives.
Whose rules would define CG or modified? Or is this the reason for wanting a forum, because there are so many permutations of CG? Hey, I think I answered my own question.
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Mmm, modified CG. Are we talking a la "Curly Girl" rules (Lorraine Massey's book) in which case the only no-nos are silicones and harsh shampoos (and brushing, slamming your hair in doors etc.). Mild shampoos are okay for those who want some bubbles in their lives.
Whose rules would define CG or modified? Or is this the reason for wanting a forum, because there are so many permutations of CG? Hey, I think I answered my own question.
I was leaning toward saying yes, I would be interested in a "modified CG forum", but this post makes me wonder whether it is indeed necessary. Perhaps we should clarify how far outside the "rules" IAgirl cites the new forum would be referring to. Or to put it another way: maybe we need to clarify what the terms "CG", "Mod CG", and whatever other terms would be appropriate are going to be held to mean, so that we experimenters will know just what heading we are experimenting under and where we will be more likely to find like minds and probably answers. Gee, I hope that makes sense to someone besides myself.
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Mmm, modified CG. Are we talking a la "Curly Girl" rules (Lorraine Massey's book) in which case the only no-nos are silicones and harsh shampoos (and brushing, slamming your hair in doors etc.). Mild shampoos are okay for those who want some bubbles in their lives.
Whose rules would define CG or modified? Or is this the reason for wanting a forum, because there are so many permutations of CG? Hey, I think I answered my own question.
I was leaning toward saying yes, I would be interested in a "modified CG forum", but this post makes me wonder whether it is indeed necessary. Perhaps we should clarify how far outside the "rules" IAgirl cites the new forum would be referring to. Or to put it another way: maybe we need to clarify what the terms "CG", "Mod CG", and whatever other terms would be appropriate are going to be held to mean, so that we experimenters will know just what heading we are experimenting under and where we will be more likely to find like minds and probably answers. Gee, I hope that makes sense to someone besides myself.
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. To me anyway, it seems like there's a lot about naturally curly hair that's open to personal interpretation (which is probably the basis of some debates that spring up.). I sense a little bit of a continuum of curly hair methods -- From those who'd say they're "truly" CG and follow the fully prescribed Massey approach; to people who get on board with some of it but not all (and even with that there's a continuum); to those who do not describe themselves in CG terms at all. I guess whatever's working for you, huh?
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I'm interested as well
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I do believe it would be very helpful for the newbies especially. Using myself as an example, I came on the forum, and immediately started perusing for products due to a hair emergency:

1. Became incredibly overwhelmed at all the abbreviations and spent the majority of my time deciphering in order to find said products.

2. Spent more overwhelming amount of time trying to find my hair type.

3. Spent more time trying to find someone's hair that looks similar (hair twin).

Then had absolutely no idea that there were people on these boards that were NOT all CG. I guess I just ass-u-me'd everybody on here was, unless they were on the "transitioning" thread, lolololol

Of course you figure that out eventually with more reading time and getting a few recommended books that explain mod-Cg, etc. But, initially you're just going to town using/trying all these products in the signatures.

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Still think it would help the noobs on the confusion factor and would save time for those not even remotely interested in mod-cg to "fast forward". IMHO
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But there are plenty of threads/stickies already in existence for the newbies, not to mention the search function...imo that's just not a good enough reason to create an whole new sub-forum.
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Still think it would help the noobs on the confusion factor and would save time for those not even remotely interested in mod-cg to "fast forward". IMHO
Yes, finding nc.com was *so* important to me in the whole process of going naturally curly, but I remember how incredibly confusing and overwhelming it all was starting out. Maybe revamping the board by combining some of the forums as was suggested; abandoning some of the forums that just aren't supported by anyone; creating new/different forums that would be supported more,...Just thinking out loud. Actually, I would certainly understand if nc created a "Newbies" forum.
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Still think it would help the noobs on the confusion factor and would save time for those not even remotely interested in mod-cg to "fast forward". IMHO
Yes, finding nc.com was *so* important to me in the whole process of going naturally curly, but I remember how incredibly confusing and overwhelming it all was starting out. Maybe revamping the board by combining some of the forums as was suggested; abandoning some of the forums that just aren't supported by anyone; creating new/different forums that would be supported more,...Just thinking out loud. Actually, I would certainly understand if nc created a "Newbies" forum.
There already is a newbies forum: Newbies info/introductions - CurlTalk I do think it's very confusing when you first join. Especially, if it's your first message board. But you do need to learn, if you want to participate at a certain level. No amount of organizing the forums will avoid that necessity.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to have "required" reading prior to posting and asking questions--like prerequisites in school. There are a lot of stickies at the top of the newbies forum and all the other forums that explain a lot of things. There was even a thread that had helpful threads.

When I first joined, I read every thread in every hair forum--but that's the way I am. A lot of folks need instant gratification. One of the reasons why I suggest the e-book on the livecurlylivefree website. It's all of the information in one place for those who don't want to do the work for themselves.
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There already is a newbies forum: Newbies info/introductions - CurlTalk [/QUOTE]

Aw, man! I was hoping the smiley would show I was joking.
Anyway, yeah, I know about the newbies forum. In fact, I spent plenty of time reading through it and a ton of other stuff went I first came onto nc.com. But TA that there are lots of others who don't do that. In fairness though, I can think of times where I did a search and missed stuff, so it probably happens with lots of other people, too.
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I didn't get much help from the newbie board to be honest. With SO much information everywhere, for me, it's hard to ask the right kind of questions or search for the right kind of info at first. I joined nc.com in December but every time is google something it would ring me back here lol. So I finally started digging around some. I think I've come pretty far in a month, since I didn't become 'active' until February. :]

Anyway, back on topic. I still think there should be a board for "mod-CG". If you think you're a mod-CGer then you'd have a place to go and ask questions and get advice from others who also think of themselves as mod-CG.
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