Do You Want a "Modified CG" Forum?

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[QUOTE=Devushka;1910630]
Still think it would help the noobs on the confusion factor and would save time for those not even remotely interested in mod-cg to "fast forward". IMHO
Originally Posted by WickedWurlys
3a/3b spirals and the occasional ringlet
M/iii
Normal porosity


Products I use:

Shampoo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Shampoo
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Conditioner
DT: Matrix Biolage Hydratherapie Aqua-Immersion Creme Masque
Styling: Homemade FSG with Lavender EO & AVJ/water mist spray containing Epsom Salt, Lavender EO

Sorry for the double post.

What I wanted to ask is what was meant by "for those not even remotely interested in mod-CG to "fast forward""? Many of us who don't care for the CG process whether it's the whole process itself or modifying it have tried it in the past only to find it doesn't work for us. Believe it or not, you can have beautiful naturally curly hair without having to ditch cones and sulphates. . People shouldn't be shunned by others here just because they choose to regularly use cones and/or sulphates.

Now back on topic. I again agree with artemis513. The site search feature is very easy to use and that feature is what helped me to find so much information on this site(not just in the forums) when I first joined so why make a whole new forum for people to ask questions when doing a search can most likely give them the answers their looking for.
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M/iii
Normal porosity


Products I use:

Shampoo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Shampoo
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Conditioner
DT: Matrix Biolage Hydratherapie Aqua-Immersion Creme Masque
Styling: Homemade FSG with Lavender EO & AVJ/water mist spray containing Epsom Salt, Lavender EO

I think you're right that there are probably lots of people who feel shunned because they subscribe to one method and not another. I know I've seen discussion where it was strict CGers who expressed that feeling and other discussions where total NON-CGers felt that way.

To me anyway, that's a reason for having different forums so that people who subscribe to one method or another can talk and share ideas and know they won't feel shunned. (Btw, Calypso, your hair looks beautiful, so if NOT doing CG is working for you, more power to you ) . Also, I agree that the search feature is easy and very useful, but I can also see why other people find it easy and useful to have different categorized forums so they can simply peruse the threads that are all on the specific topic of that forum. I've come across great recipes (that I wouldn't have known to do a search for) in the Recipes forum by just browsing there.

So, I guess I don't have a problem with there being lots of forums as long as different forums fill the needs of different sub-groups of people here. For example, early on I was surprised that there was a Straightening/Relaxing forum here on nc.com (Clearly MY ignorance for thinking there wouldn't be anyone on nc.com who would be at all interested in that). Although I probably won't ever click on that forum to post or lurk, I don't have a problem that that forum is part of CurlTalk since there are apparently people here who want to connect with other curlies who are interested in straightening/relaxing their hair. More power to them, too!
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3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair

Last edited by Devushka; 03-18-2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason: Spelling
"for those not even remotely interested in mod-CG to "fast forward""
I think that just meant that if you aren't interested in "mod-CG" it would be easy to skip over the entire forum (fast forward) devoted to it. I don't think it was meant in any way to shun or denigrate anyone, just to give those interested in "mod-CG" a place to go for their interest, while allowing those with no interest in it to bypass it altogether.

As it is, I find myself reading some forums fairly extensively, skimming a few, and bypassing a number, though at different times different forums will catch my interest for a while depending on changes in my own situation.
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Porosity:Normal
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Sorry for the double post.

What I wanted to ask is what was meant by "for those not even remotely interested in mod-CG to "fast forward""? Many of us who don't care for the CG process whether it's the whole process itself or modifying it have tried it in the past only to find it doesn't work for us. Believe it or not, you can have beautiful naturally curly hair without having to ditch cones and sulphates. . People shouldn't be shunned by others here just because they choose to regularly use cones and/or sulphates.

Now back on topic. I again agree with artemis513. The site search feature is very easy to use and that feature is what helped me to find so much information on this site(not just in the forums) when I first joined so why make a whole new forum for people to ask questions when doing a search can most likely give them the answers their looking for.
Originally Posted by Calypso
Huh, I'm not sure why what I wrote implied that people that aren't totally CG don't have great hair, or were being discriminated against? Myself, like many others I'm sure, are experimenting with all types to "decide what I want to be when I grow up", lol.

My point was simply that it would be less confusing to noobs. That.is.all. Yes, we all must read and learn everything and yes again, I have spent almost 1 month solidly doing that and reading the recommended books. So to infer that as a noob that I didn't want to do the work is not accurate. Heck, this is my new hobby/obsession/world until I get all the info I can soak up!!
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Density: Normal=ii
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I think you're right that there are probably lots of people who feel shunned because they subscribe to one method and not another.
Originally Posted by Devushka
This.

That wouldn't happen as often if the answers to the elusive "What is CG?" question were centrally located. It's unfortunate when people feel badly because they can't cowash (that was a little tongue-in-cheek).
Maybe "How do I do CG?" Needs to be located in an obvious, "can't move about the site without tripping over it" place.
CG "rules" have latitude for shampooing, using clips to shape curls, diffusing and whatever else. It's actually very flexible and the foundation is simply "don't use stuff or do stuff that wrecks your hair or it won't curl nicely." Because so many of us learned all the wrong things. SOTC must be prominently featured - such a revelation!
If the guidelines for managing curls in the "CG" way was centrally located and free-standing, that would provide a solution for all the times I see people linking to outside sites for "How to do CG," and all the times queries about how to "do" CG go unanswered for a while because nobody wants to post that link for the millionth time. (Unerringly, somebody does because NC.com is used by such helpful, generous people).
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Last edited by IAgirl; 03-18-2012 at 01:41 PM.
I think you're right that there are probably lots of people who feel shunned because they subscribe to one method and not another. I know I've seen discussion where it was strict CGers who expressed that feeling and other discussions where total NON-CGers felt that way.

To me anyway, that's a reason for having different forums so that people who subscribe to one method or another can talk and share ideas and know they won't feel shunned. (Btw, Calypso, your hair looks beautiful, so if NOT doing CG is working for you, more power to you ) . Also, I agree that the search feature is easy and very useful, but I can also see why other people find it easy and useful to have different categorized forums so they can simply peruse the threads that are all on the specific topic of that forum. I've come across great recipes (that I wouldn't have known to do a search for) in the Recipes forum by just browsing there.

So, I guess I don't have a problem with there being lots of forums as long as different forums fill the needs of different sub-groups of people here. For example, early on I was surprised that there was a Straightening/Relaxing forum here on nc.com (Clearly MY ignorance for thinking there wouldn't be anyone on nc.com who would be at all interested in that). Although I probably won't ever click on that forum to post or lurk, I don't have a problem that that forum is part of CurlTalk since there are apparently people here who want to connect with other curlies who are interested in straightening/relaxing their hair. More power to them, too!
Originally Posted by Devushka
Don't get me wrong, I do understand why you would want to add a Mod-CG forum for those who want info on it and you made a lot of great points on wanting to create one but if that was done then why not just separate the entire forum to four main forums(for example CG, Mod-CG, Non-CG and Off-Topic) and then have sub-forums within them. That way there is an option for everyone.

The reason I say this is because the majority of this forum(especially the General Discussion) is dedicated to CG or Mod-CG. Even though there are a lot of people here who are like me and are non-CG, many of us don't like to come out of the woodwork because whenever we mention it in anyway, people either get defensive as if we are taking a stab at CG or our questions don't get answered because we are asking about the "dreaded" cones or sulphates.

I had asked a question about what was happening with my hair here and I never received any help(I ended up figuring out myself) but if my question was CG related, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if I had gotten help quickly.

You know, I was a bit surprised when I first saw the straightening forum here when I joined but when I browsed around there, I learned a lot about heat protectants!

Btw, thank you! Who knew a combination of ALS, PEG dimethicone, avocado oil and mustard seed oil could bring curls out at full force.
3a/3b spirals and the occasional ringlet
M/iii
Normal porosity


Products I use:

Shampoo: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Shampoo
Conditioner: Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Conditioner
DT: Matrix Biolage Hydratherapie Aqua-Immersion Creme Masque
Styling: Homemade FSG with Lavender EO & AVJ/water mist spray containing Epsom Salt, Lavender EO

Even though there are a lot of people here who are like me and are non-CG, many of us don't like to come out of the woodwork because whenever we mention it in anyway, people either get defensive as if we are taking a stab at CG or our questions don't get answered because we are asking about the "dreaded" cones or sulphates.
Originally Posted by Calypso
Oh, yeah, that sucks. Btw, a few months ago I was watching a natural hair vlogger's video in which she was talking about how she doesn't have a problem with cones and sulfates, and her hair looked great. Serously, whatever's workin' for for someone and their hair is the way to go.

Over the course of this whole discussion, I'm really seeing the wisdom of including forums based on haircare methods as you're suggesting. The survey they've got out right now may indicate that there's a need to divide things up differently than all the 2a - 4c forums (although the 4a and 2 forums seem happily active!) and maybe not have "General Discussion" as kind of the catch-all forum that gets all schloggy (my word ) with so much completely unrelated stuff that you have to wade through. Anyway you've certainly explained well why a NON-CG forum would be nice so you could exchange ideas on haircare with others who you KNOW wouldn't give you the evil eye for asking about cones.
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair

Last edited by Devushka; 03-18-2012 at 12:11 PM. Reason: ETA
Seriously, this is what needs to happen:
1. The "no-shampoo" sub-forum should be re-named to "The Curly Girl Method", so all basic and advanced CG related questions should go there. To create a mod-CG sub-forum is not addressing the "schlogging" (great word!) up that happens in GenDisc, nor does it address the uncomfortable feelings and lack of posting by non-CGers in that forum.

(Once again, this is not a problem in 4a. We post in there like it's a GenDisc because it's easier. That's why it gets so much traffic.)

2. Until the hair typing is re-vamped, all the hair typing forums should be combined in the manner that Type 2 is set up. So for example instead of 3a, 3b, 3c, it would be one forum called Type 3. Same with Type 4. That makeshift antiquated system is just another source of unnecessary confusion, if not the main one.

3. GenDisc should be labeled the same, but go back to being a catch-all, literally a general discussion for everyone, esp non-CGers. Doing that will bump up traffic.

4. Mod-CGers should be able to post in the CG sub-forum for specific questions about tweaking the method (with stickies as needed), while posting other questions in their relevant sub-forums (e.g., product reviews in the product review forum, or general practices in GenDisc).

It just really would make more sense to better utilize the sub-forums that already exist rather than create new sub-forums based on overall confusion, newbie ignorance, or other factors that are simply commonplace when on an internet forum. For example, the porosity forums are totally under-utilized because newbies don't understand how to determine hair texture/typing from the get-go.

Things here are just already organized inefficiently and highly reactive. If the mods created a sub-forum for mod-CGers then they need to create one for each of the hair textures as well (fine, medium, coarse), which at that point would be simply too much.

I agree with KathyMack in that at some point, people are just going to have to come to grips with the fact that each person's hair is different and it is going take time to figure it out. These forums should be used as helpful tools to get to that point, not "Regimens-R-Us". To continuously try to accommodate some, you will undoubtedly alienate others--which is why the whole thing should be simplified, not over-complicated. It's better for everyone involved to just keep it simple.

Way too long-winded on this topic, lol, but inefficiency just irks me
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artemis513, we seem to be on the same page! Only thing I might change is instead of using the number designations, use the descriptive terms that are in the new curly girl book: corkscrew, botticelli, corkicelli, cherub, wavy, s'wavy and fractal or zigzag. So little depends on curl type, and this takes in several of the combination heads, it would be easier to understand.

I was also wondering if some of this depended on how you go about viewing Curl Talk?? I usually use my desktop, but occasionally use my tablet or laptop (if traveling.) Never use my phone. Felt that I missed too much with the "app." When I first joined, I perused some forums constantly. Now, I never do that. I click on "new posts," and look for any titles that are of interest. Before I log off, I click on User CP, to make sure I didn't miss anything in my subscribed threads.
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artemis513, we seem to be on the same page! Only thing I might change is instead of using the number designations, use the descriptive terms that are in the new curly girl book: corkscrew, botticelli, corkicelli, cherub, wavy, s'wavy and fractal or zigzag. So little depends on curl type, and this takes in several of the combination heads, it would be easier to understand.

I was also wondering if some of this depended on how you go about viewing Curl Talk?? I usually use my desktop, but occasionally use my tablet or laptop (if traveling.) Never use my phone. Felt that I missed too much with the "app." When I first joined, I perused some forums constantly. Now, I never do that. I click on "new posts," and look for any titles that are of interest. Before I log off, I click on User CP, to make sure I didn't miss anything in my subscribed threads.
Originally Posted by kathymack
No, I do agree with the change to Lorraine's descriptive terms. I think that hers should replace what's being used now. I was just suggesting that for the time being until they get the surveys in and look at what the results are that they condense things temporarily, simplifying until a new system is built.

I only use my laptop to view this site. I don't use the New Posts feature, though I have on other forums using this format. I generally just start with 4a till I get bored (which takes a while lol!), and then bounce around to other sub-forums and see what else is going on.
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Pretty normal to have lots of different opinions on stuff like this -- I see the value of having a Modified CG forum (in fact more "haircare method" forums), and I also agree that other changes in how the forums are categorized could be useful.

But anyway, as we all know, ultimately it's up to nc.com as far as whether they add it or how/if they revamp anything else about CurlTalk. Thanks for all the feedback, btw.

However it works out, I'm SO glad nc.com exists!! It's great to have a place to celebrate being naturally curly.
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Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair

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