I'm crying because I do not know what to do anymore

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well like I said in my post I know its bad but its all I can afford right now. SO tresemme naturals is better? Are you sure?? Because Ill try to get some as soon as possible.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz
Garnier Fructis triple moisture is good and cone free. I get a big bottle for like $4 at Walmart. That's usually my conditioner. I use cheap vo5 line clarifying conditioner for my cowash. It smells devine!!


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Originally Posted by GoddessCurls

GF Triple Nutrition and Sleek and Shine were both recently re-formulated and now contain amodimethicone. Length and Strength and Color Shield only contain water soluble cone and Pure Clean and Body Boost are cone-free.

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Originally Posted by Corrina777
R u kidding me!!? That sucks. Well back to the drawing board




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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
Yea it does lots of curlies are complaining about the change in ingredients

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Every single product that I am CURRENTLY putting in my hair has no harsh ingredients n it still looks like crap. Idk if I can take this anymore. I'm going to have a mental breakdown.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz
Okay, kindly chill.

One month, two months, is often not enough to see progress. Why? You spent, what?, years damaging your hair? Hair doesn't magically get fixed. Using hot irons just does more damage, and ultimately, you decide: live with damaging techniques, or have the patience to FIX the damage and let hair grow out.

My hair looked pretty crappy for roughly four to five months doing CG. I tried a gazillion things.

It took time to realize I needed more or less protein, more or less deep conditionings, this or that.

It's a learning journey for you to learn what YOUR hair needs, not someone else's. While it helps to see people's hair types/textures and see what helps them, it's still ultimately YOUR hair you need to figure out all on your own by experimentation. It takes patience, time and money. Money cause you don't know what your hair will like until you try it. It will take months. Maybe a year, cause you may need to just let hair grow out while treating it well.

By the fifth month, I was starting to find my mojo. By the six month, I was VERY VERY VERY happy with my natural hair and knew which products I liked. I still use those products two years after finding that mojo (ie, I found them by May 2010, and it's almost May 2012).

No one can tell you how much protein you do or do not need. You gotta figure it out. And you'll likely suffer protein overload, hair will be icky, and you'll say, "Okay, that was TOO much protein tx."

No one can tell you how often to deep condition. You gotta figure it out...and you'll have to probably OVERCONDITION to go, "Oh, yeah, that' was TOO much."

Once you figure your hair out, then it will be a breeze. You'll be happier. You can let it air dry and enjoy it.

Now, I'm someone the waitress will tag as, "Oh, that's for the lady with the pretty hair."

Now, my husband just raves about my curls.

Now, I feel like myself.

But dang if I didn't spend a small fortune and experiment and have to put up with some nasty hair along the months of transitioning and learning. I also committed up front to ONE YEAR. One year of going natural and if it didn't give me hair I wanted, I was done. But I did commit: one full year.

Commit to at least 6 to 8 months. THEN decide. You need time...

So, be patient and read and learn. Eventually, your groove will come.

It's not a simple thing at first. It's only simple LATER....

And remember, if you are super-frustrated and don't wanna do the learning-journey/experimentation/patience thing, you can always just do what you did before. I mean, there's no law that says you can't straighten/flat-iron. Its always there for you to go back to.

I have my hair blown out maybe 4 times a year. It's a nice change of pace. BUT..I went 1 1/2 years without a single blow-dry and stuff while I was healing and letting it grow out.

I won't let them flat iron me....not a chance. But once in a while, having blown-out hair rocks.

But I am a curly. YOu're a curly. That's how we're made...and it may be worth it to suffer the months of learning to see just how pretty YOUR curls can be.

Then you can always choose to go back. Always.

Just saying it's worth the shot.

And, to add, I'm one of those that didn't do well on full CG. I use gentler lowpoos and an occasional all out sulfate clarification poo. It just works for my fine hair to clean a little stronger than cowashing. I almost never use cones, but sometimes, yeah, I'll use a mild one. Mostly, don't need it. If I'm well-conditioned and in good protein state, I can do summer without cones.

Happy curl-healing.
3a3b dry, dyed --newly "banged"
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Re:coil ROCKS!

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~S&C; SMasters Method; Pixie-curling
Dumping clumps for VOLUME!
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Last edited by MirCurls; 04-12-2012 at 04:56 PM.
Every single product that I am CURRENTLY putting in my hair has no harsh ingredients n it still looks like crap. Idk if I can take this anymore. I'm going to have a mental breakdown.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz
Oh, and it would be easier for folks to help you in a targeted manner if you put your hair properties in your siggie and post a pic of your hair (sides, front if possible) so they can SEE your issues. Just saying...
3a3b dry, dyed --newly "banged"
Natural since 11/25/09 (Miami)

Shine & Spring w/ Sweet Curls Elixirs!
Curl Junkie Conditions!
Re:coil ROCKS!

~CJ Protein Tx
; BEE-U-Ti-Ful Deep Condish
~S&C; SMasters Method; Pixie-curling
Dumping clumps for VOLUME!
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Yes to everything MirCurls had to say! Patience and trial and error do pay off.

Besides adding your current products to your siggie, I'd also add that it's best to only try one new product at a time to better pinpoint what does and doesn't work for you.

I also recommend watching for people who seem to have hair with properties similar to yours, and stalk these ladies to see what they're using and doing - the doing is at least as important as the products.

I agree with the others who mentioned swapping products that you can't repurpose and use yourself - you'll at least recoup some of what you've spent. If you don't want to be bothered, don't just throw it all out - donate it to a shelter or something.

I highly recommend the Live Curly, Live Free site for all sorts of help with your hair, from getting a good cut to determining its properties - all of that is so important to learning to love your curls. Tiffany, better known to the NC.com community as "Struttswife", really knows what she's talking about.

Many here have also used her Curl Wizard service to 'officially' find out their hair properties - I keep meaning to do it myself, but keep forgetting . . . maybe now's a good time . . .
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

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Last edited by WurlyLox; 04-12-2012 at 01:20 PM.
Yea it does lots of curlies are complaining about the change in ingredients

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Originally Posted by darkbeautytt
Well that explains a lot actually. If I use coney conditioner I don't put it on the top and roots...well since I thought this was safe...I was. And I notice greasy roots..also using as a leave in and not happy. I thought I was losing my mind...lol!! Thanks


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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
Does Walmart have Renpure? I checked cvs and couldn't find it...I'm gonna hit Walgreens on my way home from work to look there. I've read on here about it tho..it sounds promising.


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Back on Cones,so now my routine is,wash with Deva No-Poo every other day or so. Occasionally use 365 sulfate free,maybe use low sulfate shampoo mixed with conditioner once every two weeks are longer. I condition with Aussie Moist or HEHH. I style with a little GF TN,and finish up with tons of GN Pure Clean Smoothing Cream. No frizz...slippy, happy hair.
I do understand your frustration. This is a great deal to take in at first, and I would say continuously due to changes in product formulations, but do hang in there. I've only been CG 4 months myself and I've had slip ups. Last month I had a blatent disregard when I slapped a silicone glosser in my hair. After 2 weeks of rain and my hair being nothing but wall to wall frizz, that levitated 4 inches off my scalp, I couldn't take it anymore! I just washed with a sulfate and went back to it... Aside from that moment of weakness, I've been trying to concentrate more on the feel than the appearance. My hair was destroyed from years of strong chemicals in everyday products and hair color. It felt like straw on sandpaper. It is now so very soft! I can not remember the last time my hair felt this good. When I washed out the cones with a sulfate I felt dry and brittle return and in that moment in re assured me that I was on to something magnificent with CG. I might not have the hang of frizz control yet or the best method for applying products in my hair, but I'm working on. I've had some stellar hair days so I know I'm getting closer and you will too. Just concentrate more on the health than the appearance at first and you will find your right path, be it full or modified.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I didn't read everything so sorry if I'm repeating, but if something doesn't work for you and you can't return it, please sell it here or through Lola's Green Hair, or give it away to a loved one or heck, even a local women's shelter. There's no need to waste so much, and you'd feel better if someone was benefiting. A friend might have something to swap back that you end up loving!

I don't know too much about the CG routine, but GOOD LUCK! I hope your hair soon becomes a source of joy. :-)
My hair is in the 4s, low in porosity, high in density and coarse.

Love: QB - all of it, Bobeam - shampoo bars, Darcy's Botanicals - Pumpkin Seed Conditioner, Coconut Cupuacu Pomade, KBN - Shealoe Leave-in, Oyin - Juices & Berries, Kinky Curly - Knot Today, Ayurvedic treatments, my Denman and the cloud of kinky goodness on my head that I get to play with!
And if it helps...

This was my hair in December. I know its hard to see. I was playing with the pic on a photo app and mistakenly deleted the original (and no it wasn't different colors in front) I had asked for, and picked out, a light golden brown hair color but black is what I got. I was left with severely damaged hair and no curl. Just a slight wave.



This is me now, after 3 bleach color corrects and a cut to reconstruct it. I'm still keeping my hair shorter, for the time being, because it's still a work in progress... But the curl is coming back, more and more every day. I was horrified it wouldn't.



I did start out using Suave Naturals for co washing, Giovanni for RO, biotera leave in conditioner, and a tub of Eco Styler gel or biotera gel. LI and gels were purchased at Sally's. I still use suave or salon care CoW, for the most part, and use Zoto's as a RO/DC. Right now "As I am" LI and curling jelly are making me a very happy chick!
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When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??

I did start out using Suave Naturals for co washing, Giovanni for RO, biotera leave in conditioner, and a tub of Eco Styler gel or biotera gel. LI and gels were purchased at Sally's. I still use suave or salon care CoW, for the most part, and use Zoto's as a RO/DC. Right now "As I am" LI and curling jelly are making me a very happy chick!
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

I've been wondering about the As I Am products. Do you know your hair properties? I was considering purchasing the LI and Jelly.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
I did start out using Suave Naturals for co washing, Giovanni for RO, biotera leave in conditioner, and a tub of Eco Styler gel or biotera gel. LI and gels were purchased at Sally's. I still use suave or salon care CoW, for the most part, and use Zoto's as a RO/DC. Right now "As I am" LI and curling jelly are making me a very happy chick!
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

I've been wondering about the As I Am products. Do you know your hair properties? I was considering purchasing the LI and Jelly.
Originally Posted by beeduh
I've had the jelly in my hands a few times but still haven't brought myself to try it (I was seeing some mixed reviews here- nothing terrible, but nothing amazing enough that I had to have it immediately).

But, I did buy the Coconut Co-Wash (I don't hate it, but I haven't used it enough to give a fair review and compare to my other co-washing products) and I bought the LI and the Cleansing Pudding. Haven't tried cleansing pudding, but I love the LI. Not too heavy at all on my hair. I do use it a little more sparingly than Cure Care (my normal LI).

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
Try ever smooth or ever creme. About6-8 $$

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I did start out using Suave Naturals for co washing, Giovanni for RO, biotera leave in conditioner, and a tub of Eco Styler gel or biotera gel. LI and gels were purchased at Sally's. I still use suave or salon care CoW, for the most part, and use Zoto's as a RO/DC. Right now "As I am" LI and curling jelly are making me a very happy chick!
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

I've been wondering about the As I Am products. Do you know your hair properties? I was considering purchasing the LI and Jelly.
Originally Posted by beeduh
I have thick, corse, dense, high porosity hair. Harder to tell it now because I had to have damage razor cut out of the middle of my hair. Not the best method, but had to be done. My type would normally be a mix of 3a/3b but it's not back to normal yet. Every color correct was a little set back. I am liking the As I am products. I love the leave in. I am getting good curl with the curling jelly. I've only used it alone but I am going to mix it with a gel when I wash tomorrow. I've used each three times. I also have the coconut co wash but have only used it twice. I felt like it stripped my hair the first time I used it but the second time it felt great.

* I had been using the biotera LI for months. I liked it at first but then it started drying my hair out. Nothing I used seemed to have enough moisture. With the As I Am my ends will feel dry later that night/the next day but it seems to lock moisture in better. With the Biotera I was feeling dry root to tip after so many hours.

Sorry, I keep thinking of things I should have said. I've not used a great deal of gels so I can only compare the consistency of the curling jelly to eco styler. You have to really work it into your palms and spread or you end up with big clumps in your hair. It is thick and tacky. If I put a small amount in I do not get 2nd day hair. If I put a good amount in, I can get 3rd day hair that doesn't make you want to scream.
When I hear terms like "hipster" I think, who told cliques they could leave high school??


Last edited by Fifi.G; 04-14-2012 at 06:42 PM.
I did start out using Suave Naturals for co washing, Giovanni for RO, biotera leave in conditioner, and a tub of Eco Styler gel or biotera gel. LI and gels were purchased at Sally's. I still use suave or salon care CoW, for the most part, and use Zoto's as a RO/DC. Right now "As I am" LI and curling jelly are making me a very happy chick!
Originally Posted by Fifi.G

I've been wondering about the As I Am products. Do you know your hair properties? I was considering purchasing the LI and Jelly.
Originally Posted by beeduh
I've had the jelly in my hands a few times but still haven't brought myself to try it (I was seeing some mixed reviews here- nothing terrible, but nothing amazing enough that I had to have it immediately).

But, I did buy the Coconut Co-Wash (I don't hate it, but I haven't used it enough to give a fair review and compare to my other co-washing products) and I bought the LI and the Cleansing Pudding. Haven't tried cleansing pudding, but I love the LI. Not too heavy at all on my hair. I do use it a little more sparingly than Cure Care (my normal LI).
Originally Posted by Corrina777
I think I will be purchasing some Cure Care on Monday. I keep forgetting to look for it when I go to Sallys. But I will definately be getting some. As I Am will have to wait before I can buy some. There's a few other products on my list I'd like to try first.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
@Samanthascurlz...

I pray you don't give up! I just started this journey in 12/2012, [did the BC], so it has been 10 months for me.

I researched a great deal before I started because I wanted to get the best care for my hair. I watched several YouTube videos, especially of those whose hair was the same type as mine. My favorites are MahoganyCurls, Naptural85, GlamTwinz334, and JustKellee101, [my hair is like Kendra's, one of the twins and Just Kellee101 because I don't have to do anything to my "edges"].

Please bear with me...

I also bought the Curly Girl Handbook, [love it, many natural product recipes and she doesn't promote her products through her book], and started with the CG products. I ended up returning most of them because they didn't work with my hair and only used the Deva Curl No-Poo, Condition One and Heaven in Hair Deep Conditioner. This was moderately costly to me because I have spent more money taking care of my hair when I wore it straight and my hair was/is very healthy[always believed you get what you pay for]. I would only get a perm every 2.5 to 3 months.

Finally I decided I didn't want to use those products because my natural hair should healthier than my "permed" hair and I wanted to use completely natural products. So...

I started used Tresemme Naturals Conditioner as my co-wash and my leave in, [from MahoganyCurls video], Homemade Flaxseed Gel as my styler, [from Naptural85], video and Heaven in Hair from Deva Curl as my deep conditioner. This works wonderful!!! My hair looked beautiful and started growing back wonderfully, please it was expensive. Maybe you want to start off with this.

Also, instead of using the "Heaven in Hair" deep conditioner, [$25.00], you might want to try the combo from GlamTwinz 335...

Extra Virgin Olive Oil and Neutrogena Triple Moisture Deep Recovery Hair Mask, [plastic cap and sleep over night]. I will be using this one instead of the HnH.

I know you are frustrated but please don't give up.

Also, I don't try any of these new products especially for "naturals" that come out, even if they are from companies that have been around a while. I just don't trust them. I am no one's guinea pig so the products have to be out for at least 5-10 years before I try it.

Blessings!

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I highly suggest V05 kiwi and lime clarifying conditioner for co-washing, tresseme naturals conditioner as a leave in, and L.A looks sport gel. All of them are drugstore products and work amazingly on my long 3b/3a curls! None have silicones or sulfates which is what you should use 😊 in my humble opinion. Sulfate sucks moisture out of our hair and silicones need sulfate shampoos to remove them! I suggest staying far far away from them 😜
3A Curl Pattern, Low Porosity, High Density, Medium Width, Long Length

Loving my curls/waves!


Product loves: Chagrin Valley Shampoo Bars, ACV rinses, Suave Naturals Conditioner wash on in between days, silk scrunchies, Ouidad Curl refreshing spray, Avocado/olive oil/honey deep treatment, Coconut oil on ends/length

Currently waist length while wet and going for waist length while dry!
PS...I forgot the "oils" because I don't use a great deal in my hair. Coconut oil and Aloe Vera oil [mix] is great and reasonably priced!
My hair is "exotic, beautiful and free",,,yeah, that be ME!!!
3B/C - Easy to straighten, [no heat ever/no protect. styling].

Low Porosity/Medium Density
Mid Width/BSL-stretched/
BC - 12/2012

I am a "Co-Wash/Finger Comb Lady!

Scalp Cleanser - SM ABS Purification Hair Masque
Co-wash - Tresemme Naturals
Leave In - SM CH C&S Cond.
Hydration - SM CH Curl Smoothie
Styler - SM CH Curl & Style Milk
Deep Cond. - SM Manuka & Mafura DC

I am sorry that your curl journey has been kind of rough on you so far. Perk up though, everyone has been there and you have to give yourself time to learn your hair, learn the products and ingredients it likes or doesn't like, learn the best styling techniques to get good if not great hair days.

For me, the process has been fun, but turned me into a MAJOR PJ. It took a while to find out what works for me. Part of it was product, but my big hair "a-ha" moment was actually learning better product application technique which made all of the difference.

I have what I like to call a "collection of 3s" (some 3A, Lots of 3B and 3C), medium density, medium thickness, normal-high porosity and I think bra strap length when straight, neck/shoulder length when curly (depending on shrinkage, which I kind of welcome). I started to go natural when I was curious about my curly hair when I was washing it, but had no idea how to wear it or take care of it in that state. At first I bought everything under the sun. If it said curly, I tried it, but it was not quite working. My hair would look a hot mess.

Then I would buy products based on my favorite YouTubers. "Oh MahoganyCurls and a bunch of other people like EcoStyler...I should get it too." or "the CG method MUST work for me". After a while I as getting overwhelmed and frustrated. So I took some time an an honest look at my routine and started working out kinks one by one.

The first big change was product application. When I first started I would squeeze a huge amount of LI (The Garnier Fructis curl line one), the Nexxus split end mender, Garnier Shine Serum, some hair gel and whatever else into my hand and just cover all of my hair in it. No sectioning, no raking, nada. Then to top it off, I would add the Garnier mousse, a metric ton of course to the top. After all of that I would wonder why by the time my hair dried, a great deal of it would be dry and frizzy. Yes, I know. Not smart.

But I when I saw other people use products, any products, they were not doing the big random hand cocktails. They were sectioning their hair and layering products. This added with the Tightly Curly Curl Definition plan, aka defining each curl on its own I got one of the best curly hair days, EVER (sounds tedious, but I get THE BEST results). I learned this after at least 2 months of horrendous hair days.

Once I knew the technique I liked, then I focused on products. This included looking for those CurlMart sales and the AveYou coupon codes. But you do not have to spend a ton of money on your hair. DenimPixie/Elle of Quest for the Perfect Curl has a really good Drugstore products series that I like and its really in depth. She has a general one as well as videos for each category (like one for Gels, or one focusing on LIs). Plus she has a lot of information.

As for me, I love Tresseme Naturals as my Cowash (I will not leave it in since when I last checked it has a drying alcohol, but it makes a wonderful Cowash). As I Am Coconut Cowash is also a favourite, and Suave naturals is good too. My favourite rinse out is Aussie Moist (I am not CG, so the cones do not bother me). The Organix line of products are usually CG friendly and are worth checking out. My favourite drug-store LI is Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie (can be seen as pricy at $11 for 12oz. but a little goes a LONG way). And my favourite gel is EcoStyler which you can get 32oz for between $4-$7 depending on your local beauty supply shop. Kiss My Face Upper Management Gel is a great glycerin-free alternative for the winter but it can be hard to find on the ground (it is for me anyway).

Hope this helps. Don't give up.
Considering the last discussion on this thread was 1-1/2 years ago, I'm curious to know how the OP's doing as a CG after all this time, LOL! I imagine things have changed considerably . . . .
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett

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