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diaspora 04-18-2012 10:50 AM

Drugstore gel with PVP/VA copolymer?
 
Or VP/VA copolymer? I know this is vinyl or plastic or something, but I'm noticing it's in my favorite products and that I don't get the hold I need when this ingredient is missing. It is usually the 2nd or 3rd ingredient.

Do you know of a cheap drugstore gel (or other styler) with this ingredient (and without cones or parabens)?

I know lots of people like the LA Looks gels, and the 2nd ingredient is simply pvp, no copolymer listed. Is this the same thing? Thanks!!

beeduh 04-18-2012 12:32 PM

Eco styler has those ingredients, I'm pretty sure. I really like eco styler krystal (the clear gel). I haven't tried any others though. It also has protein.

Geek_Chic 04-18-2012 01:18 PM

I did a little research and these two ingredients look fairly similar. VP/VA Copolymer = Polyvinylpyrrolidone/Vinyl Acetate (VP/VA) Copolymer. PVP = Povidone or Polyvinylpyrrolidone. According to cosmeticsinfo.org they perform similar functions, both of them acting to suspend an insoluble solid in a liquid product, and help hair holds its style by inhibit its ability to absorb moisture. However, only VP/VA Coplymer's page mentions that it "dries to form a thin coating on the skin, hair or nails". I'm guessing that gels with VP/VA Copolymer would form a "better" gel cast than gels without it, but I don't have any solid evidence to turn that from a guess to a fact. IAGirl might have more or better info.

In the meantime, EWG's (Skin Deep Cosmetics Database) page here has a long list of products with VP/VA Copolymer if you'd like to have a look.

diaspora 04-18-2012 02:54 PM

Thanks for the Eco Styler rec, Beeduh and the info from EWG, Geek_Chic. EWG is a fascinating site, I don't think I've heard of it before. Being that I'm kind of picky about ingredients (as are my allergies), I like seeing the safety ratings. I'm afraid I'll have to rule out most drug store products for stuff I'm leaving in my hair. :( The Eco Styler ingredients actually look safe though, except the fragrance might bother me, but that's Sally's not drugstore, right (I'm not near a Sally's so I'd have to get it online)? I think I might just pay more than drugstore and stick with a brand that I really like other products from, Alba. Their gel has the VP copolymer stuff. Oh well, the drug store was a nice thought.

beeduh 04-18-2012 04:09 PM

Eco styler can be found everywhere. It's not just a Sally's thing. Though I did buy a 32oz tub for 2.99 at Sally's. But I've also seen Eco at publix, Walgreens, rite aid, Winn Dixie and I think Walmart.

diaspora 04-18-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by beeduh (Post 1936161)
Eco styler can be found everywhere. It's not just a Sally's thing. Though I did buy a 32oz tub for 2.99 at Sally's. But I've also seen Eco at publix, Walgreens, rite aid, Winn Dixie and I think Walmart.

Ah, ok, thanks. I will look for it. Does it give you the hold you need? The pvp is a bit further down in the ingredients list than in my other fave holding products.

adthomas 11-28-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Geek_Chic (Post 1936043)
I did a little research and these two ingredients look fairly similar. VP/VA Copolymer = Polyvinylpyrrolidone/Vinyl Acetate (VP/VA) Copolymer. PVP = Povidone or Polyvinylpyrrolidone. According to cosmeticsinfo.org they perform similar functions, both of them acting to suspend an insoluble solid in a liquid product, and help hair holds its style by inhibit its ability to absorb moisture. However, only VP/VA Coplymer's page mentions that it "dries to form a thin coating on the skin, hair or nails". I'm guessing that gels with VP/VA Copolymer would form a "better" gel cast than gels without it, but I don't have any solid evidence to turn that from a guess to a fact. IAGirl might have more or better info.

In the meantime, EWG's (Skin Deep Cosmetics Database) page here has a long list of products with VP/VA Copolymer if you'd like to have a look.

I wish I saw this before I bought Cream Set, which is supposed to be a gel alternative. My hair hates PVP so Ecostyler and the like is a no go but when I saw VP/VA Copolymer I wasn't familiar with it and thought it might be okay. Plus the jar says no buildup and my hair easily gets buildup which equals dryness. Last night I went to cowash my hair and I could tell after two washes the stuff was still in my hair. :puker:My hair wasn't able to get any moisture in. It was suffocating. Finally I coated my hair with condtioner and shampooed with a very moisturizing bar. I watched the moisture come back to my hair. I'm either taking this back to Sally's on only using it right before a shampoo.


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