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Old 04-18-2012, 10:50 AM   #1
 
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Default Drugstore gel with PVP/VA copolymer?

Or VP/VA copolymer? I know this is vinyl or plastic or something, but I'm noticing it's in my favorite products and that I don't get the hold I need when this ingredient is missing. It is usually the 2nd or 3rd ingredient.

Do you know of a cheap drugstore gel (or other styler) with this ingredient (and without cones or parabens)?

I know lots of people like the LA Looks gels, and the 2nd ingredient is simply pvp, no copolymer listed. Is this the same thing? Thanks!!
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:32 PM   #2
 
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Eco styler has those ingredients, I'm pretty sure. I really like eco styler krystal (the clear gel). I haven't tried any others though. It also has protein.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:18 PM   #3
 
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I did a little research and these two ingredients look fairly similar. VP/VA Copolymer = Polyvinylpyrrolidone/Vinyl Acetate (VP/VA) Copolymer. PVP = Povidone or Polyvinylpyrrolidone. According to cosmeticsinfo.org they perform similar functions, both of them acting to suspend an insoluble solid in a liquid product, and help hair holds its style by inhibit its ability to absorb moisture. However, only VP/VA Coplymer's page mentions that it "dries to form a thin coating on the skin, hair or nails". I'm guessing that gels with VP/VA Copolymer would form a "better" gel cast than gels without it, but I don't have any solid evidence to turn that from a guess to a fact. IAGirl might have more or better info.

In the meantime, EWG's (Skin Deep Cosmetics Database) page here has a long list of products with VP/VA Copolymer if you'd like to have a look.
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Thanks for the Eco Styler rec, Beeduh and the info from EWG, Geek_Chic. EWG is a fascinating site, I don't think I've heard of it before. Being that I'm kind of picky about ingredients (as are my allergies), I like seeing the safety ratings. I'm afraid I'll have to rule out most drug store products for stuff I'm leaving in my hair. The Eco Styler ingredients actually look safe though, except the fragrance might bother me, but that's Sally's not drugstore, right (I'm not near a Sally's so I'd have to get it online)? I think I might just pay more than drugstore and stick with a brand that I really like other products from, Alba. Their gel has the VP copolymer stuff. Oh well, the drug store was a nice thought.
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:09 PM   #5
 
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Eco styler can be found everywhere. It's not just a Sally's thing. Though I did buy a 32oz tub for 2.99 at Sally's. But I've also seen Eco at publix, Walgreens, rite aid, Winn Dixie and I think Walmart.
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Eco styler can be found everywhere. It's not just a Sally's thing. Though I did buy a 32oz tub for 2.99 at Sally's. But I've also seen Eco at publix, Walgreens, rite aid, Winn Dixie and I think Walmart.
Ah, ok, thanks. I will look for it. Does it give you the hold you need? The pvp is a bit further down in the ingredients list than in my other fave holding products.
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I did a little research and these two ingredients look fairly similar. VP/VA Copolymer = Polyvinylpyrrolidone/Vinyl Acetate (VP/VA) Copolymer. PVP = Povidone or Polyvinylpyrrolidone. According to cosmeticsinfo.org they perform similar functions, both of them acting to suspend an insoluble solid in a liquid product, and help hair holds its style by inhibit its ability to absorb moisture. However, only VP/VA Coplymer's page mentions that it "dries to form a thin coating on the skin, hair or nails". I'm guessing that gels with VP/VA Copolymer would form a "better" gel cast than gels without it, but I don't have any solid evidence to turn that from a guess to a fact. IAGirl might have more or better info.

In the meantime, EWG's (Skin Deep Cosmetics Database) page here has a long list of products with VP/VA Copolymer if you'd like to have a look.
I wish I saw this before I bought Cream Set, which is supposed to be a gel alternative. My hair hates PVP so Ecostyler and the like is a no go but when I saw VP/VA Copolymer I wasn't familiar with it and thought it might be okay. Plus the jar says no buildup and my hair easily gets buildup which equals dryness. Last night I went to cowash my hair and I could tell after two washes the stuff was still in my hair. My hair wasn't able to get any moisture in. It was suffocating. Finally I coated my hair with condtioner and shampooed with a very moisturizing bar. I watched the moisture come back to my hair. I'm either taking this back to Sally's on only using it right before a shampoo.
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