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Old 04-29-2012, 03:38 PM   #1
 
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Default Deva product users! does anyone..

use B'leave In INSTEAD of the CurlOne conditioner? do you use both?
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Old 04-29-2012, 05:18 PM   #2
 
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The only deva products I have are B'Leave In gel, curl creme, and ArcAngel. When I use these, I normally put in a LI (cure care or satin roots), apply b'leave in gel on wet hair, then the curl creme, and finally a hard hold gel. I'm not that impressed with ArcAngel. I don't think it's a hard hold gel at all.

IMO, I think the deva products are just ok. I think they are really overpriced.
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Old 04-29-2012, 05:24 PM   #3
 
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HI, Beeduh, I have cure care also. How do you use that? is it CG friendly?

I know what you mean about the product line. I do like the no poo, but I would switch to low poo in a heartbeat if my stylist recommended it. I am "meh" about the conditioner. My issue is that all the products seem to "coat" my hair, and I dont like that at all. The only one that does not is the volumizing foam, but it doesnt do much either, and for that matter, I like other mousses better...oh, this is all such a chore. I am not enjoying my hair at the moment.
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:50 PM   #4
 
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Cure care is CG friendly. It has protein in it too. I add a little bit, enough to give me slip if I rake my fingers through my hair. And that's pretty much it.
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:56 PM   #5
 
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Hi Myrna,

I have been seeing you post about the Deva products and your hair needs...Personally I did not like the Deva products, although I wanted to. They left me dry, waxy, and coated. Not a good feeling.

My advice would be to find out your hair needs (it seems like your hair needs moisture, especially if it has been overprocessed)...So that means a moisturizing conditioner. You don't HAVE to use Deva products. Treat the "symptoms." Dry hair=moisture. If you really like your YTT conditioner, use that. If you like mousse, try some others...I actually really liked the Deva foam initially...And then my hair became more and more dry throughout the day. Same with using Deva One C...The more I used it, the more dry my hair was.

Bottom line for me: Take to heart what your hair stylist said, but you don't have to use their products.

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Old 04-29-2012, 07:13 PM   #6
 
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I agree with Seg. I don't use the same products everyday (I wouldn't necessarily say I rotate) so you could probably rotate in your deva products if you really want to use them. Have you tried GVPCB? It's protien free and it's suppose to be very moisturizing. I've seen a lot of people use it as a RO and a LI.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:58 PM   #7
 
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I tried B'Leave in and found it really drying.

I agree with Seg and Beeduh that there's no need to stick with Deva products. I'd want to use them up since they're so expensive, if they're not harming my hair, but it just doesn't sound like they're doing it for you, other than the poo. Entering the world of searching for new products can be a daunting (and expensive) one, but is necessary if you don't like what you're using.

I'm not sure exactly what you don't like about One Condition, it felt coating I think you said (I like it, I just find it too expensive). I found a conditioner I like more because it is more moisturizing, detangles better, and is less expensive (Aubrey Organics White Camellia). My hair does not feel coated with it. I don't know if other product recs is what you want right now though... just hang in there, you will find what works!
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Old 04-29-2012, 08:32 PM   #8
 
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Thank you all so much. I guess I dont feel "wedded" to the Deva products, I just wanted to believe there was a hair care system out there that would meet my needs and I could stop the search, which, apparently, can be endless. Yes, I dont like the Conditioner or the gel, because my hair does not feel good to me with them. I have been using the No Poo, and right now I am not sure about that either. this evening my husband and I had a celebration to go to and in desperation, I used an Avalon no sulfate shampoo; my Giovanni deep conditioner; HE Tousle me Softly mousse, and a bit of LALSG. That was not perfect, but it was better than any thing I was able to achieve earlier. And those Clips! forget those. A total nightmare for me. I need something now for the canopy of my hair, to give it lift, volume and shape without stickiness. Yes, taking product recs for this need. Or, maybe I just need to use more LALSG. I have nice curl formation on the bottom; just the top is collapsing, is straight and kinda flat!
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:24 AM   #9
 
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I say go with what works! If those products work, use them, and tweak as you go.

It sounds like you may need more moisture on that top layer...Are you using a leave in? Or at least don't rinse out all of your conditioner...OR, after you rinse out your conditioner, take a dab, run it through your hair before you get out of the shower. I would not consider that an extra product (I know you have a two product limit!)

I would also use a tad more gel for that top layer...Are you doing protein treatments? Your hair may benefit from those as well...
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:42 AM   #10
 
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Hi, Seg, thank you for all your suggestions. I do not use a leave in; I tried the Giovanni that so many curlies like, a while ago, and I didnt like it, although I did not apply it to soaking wet hair. Instead, yes, I have been trying to leave in some of my RO. Getting that tight is difficult. Using the Deva products has me really "stuck", so I am now deviating from Deva! This morning I used a no sulfate shampoo (Avalon's Ylang Ylang); Cure Care conditioner from Sally, left some it; and used my old stand by combo of mousse and some gel, while using the CG method. I gave up on clips! sheesh! just cant do. So, I think my hair looks pretty good at the moment. Yes, I agree the top layer needs more moisture, but because the layers up there are short, I have to get lift from them, and that means not weighing them down. I think that is why mousse has always worked well for me. With some gel, in this case, BRHG.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:26 AM   #11
 
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Myrna - - I used to use b'leave-in, but consistency-wise I found it to be basically another hair gel, and it behaved like a hair gel. It was moisturizing, but I wouldn't say it took the place of a leave-in conditioner. Since my hair is thin and fine, I didn't benefit in a noticeable way from having it in my hair routine along with all their other stuff because all it did was add another layer of product (I can't do 3 and 4 and 5 product layering--it seems to work fine for a lot of people, but my hair is a limp, product-filled mess if I do that).

Also, I know that DevaCurl pushes moisture as being a major concern for curlies, and I'd agree that it is. As such, they encourage most of their customers to leave in a lot or a fair amount of their conditioner when rinsing hair, but it simply isn't ideal for every person out there to do so, especially if you already have a problem getting volume in your hair.

You might just need to use lighter products . Or if you're using one product in your line-up that's heavier or much creamier, balance it out elsewhere with something lighter. i.e., if you're using their No-Poo (which in my opinion is as moisturizing as some conditioners out there), then don't follow it up with a super heavy conditioner, etc

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Old 04-30-2012, 08:11 PM   #12
 
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Hi, Sunny, I think you have said it exactly right, on each of your points and suggestions. I do think that Deva pushes moisturizing, and while I see the value of that, I also think I do need lighter products, and pretty much have always used lighter products, hence the mousse with a touch of gel. What I think as I reflect on today's "hair success", is that I need to quit thinking "Deva"; that I need a gentle, no sulfate shampoo, (I think I have been overdoing the shampooing, as I shampoo daily, and as I age, it certainly makes sense that my hair needs more gentle treatment); I think I need a decent conditioner, that I rinse out but leave some in; and I am still working toward a better styling routine. I think I need to use my hair dryer way less than I was, also. But, I think you are very correct about leaving all that moisture in the hair not being for everyone. In fact, it dulls my hair and I dont like that. So Im ditching their No Poo (at least for now); the CurlOne Conditioner; and the styling foam is a maybe. That may work better with less conditioner, but I think it is still too lightweight for my hair. Thanks so much for your thoughts.
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:27 PM   #13
 
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When I went for my Decacut, one of the suggestions my stylist gave me was to do a spray bottle of 50/50 water/conditioner and to use that (without rinsing) in place of a traditional RO. She also suggested sticking a shaving mirror in my shower so I could set my part and shape my hair. Then when my shower was done I just had to scrunch in some gel and scrunch with a towel/t-shirt. I haven't actually tried it yet, but it sounds like something that might work for you too.

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Old 04-30-2012, 08:38 PM   #14
 
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Corrina, those are good suggestions too. I have Cure Care, used it today, and I like it a lot. I didnt rinse a lot, and I man rinse more tomorrow. I like the idea of the 50/50 spray, too. Still think I am a gel over mousse gal.
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