I'm a believer.

I have been very skeptical about using only a curl creme for hold without a strong gel over it.

Today I decided to try a few more samples from my curl junkie pack and I have to say, I am impressed.

I used CK satin roots as a LI, applied CJ CCCC and added a little bit of CJPP over that and diffused some. I have very little frizz, not as much volume as I normally like, but I don't feel like my hair is weighed down at all. And my hair feels soft and moisturized! :]

P.S. The pattern pusha reminds me of fruity pebbles. Made me wanna go buy a box for breakfast.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
Cool, I'm glad you got such good results! Did you use the CCCC, or the CCCCL? I thought you mentioned in another post that you got the Light. I wonder if you even need all those products together, like if you could skip the LI or skip the gel? I hope you experiment more In the 4a thread I was told that the CCCCL has similar hold to my HG Alba cream, which gives me enough hold for 2+ days used by itself, no LI or gel.

Do the products smell nice? Not too strong?
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
Cool, I'm glad you got such good results! Did you use the CCCC, or the CCCCL? I thought you mentioned in another post that you got the Light. I wonder if you even need all those products together, like if you could skip the LI or skip the gel? I hope you experiment more In the 4a thread I was told that the CCCCL has similar hold to my HG Alba cream, which gives me enough hold for 2+ days used by itself, no LI or gel.

Do the products smell nice? Not too strong?
Originally Posted by diaspora
I ordered the sample pack a while back from curl junkie. I haven't used all of the products yet. I decided to give the regular CCCC a try again and I wanted to see how the PP worked.

The reason I used a LI today is because my hair needed the moisture. I recently got highlights and I had to poo my hair to get rid of cones my stylist used. I tried GF pure clean 2n1 and it completely stripped my hair. I've also used a couple of other low poos since then as well (which probably wasn't a good idea).

As far as smell goes for the CJ products, they don't seem to be overly perfumey. They have very light scents, and once added to the hair I don't think you'll be able to smell them at all.

I will definitely be experimenting with less product. I might have to eventually buy the regular CCCC. I just can't get over how well the creme held up. I never thought this was possible. Ism like to add that I did not use a lot of either btw. Since my hair is short and fine, I don't need much.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
Interesting! I get such varied results that I need to start a "hair journal" again so I can get more consistent results, but as far as I can tell without keeping a record, I get better results with a creme than a gel. I'd like to try just the CCCL creme - gel seems to make my hair sort of rough and messy.

Glad you posted.
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
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So far, from what I've noticed, I get really bad dry hair when I use gels. Not all the time though, and it also depends on what gel I use. I'm seriously starting to lean more toward the more natural jellys.

I started out trying to keep a hair journal, but I kinda stopped a little ways into it.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
That's good to know. I've been thinking that I'd like to try some more creams. My HG pre CG was Foxy Curls cream and I really liked it. I wonder if I'd like it now.

What other creams do you curlies like? I definitely need at least medium hold, I think.
I'm always talking about how much I love Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream. They call the hold "soft" but I don't get why, it's at least a medium hold, in my hair at least. And I really want to try the CJ CCCCL. I also really like AG Re:Coil, though I consider it more of a creme-gel because it doesn't work (for me) without a leave-in underneath and the hold is very strong. Some curlies don't find the hold strong though, and top it with gel.
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
I'm always talking about how much I love Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream. They call the hold "soft" but I don't get why, it's at least a medium hold, in my hair at least. And I really want to try the CJ CCCCL. I also really like AG Re:Coil, though I consider it more of a creme-gel because it doesn't work (for me) without a leave-in underneath and the hold is very strong. Some curlies don't find the hold strong though, and top it with gel.
Originally Posted by diaspora
I've always avoided things that say they give lite hold or soft hold. I never thought it would be enough.

I've been considering trying the AG:recoil creme. Haven't bought it yet obviously. But that might be my next on the ground purchase.

Diaspora, what are your hair properties? I'm on my phone so i can't see signatures at the moment. Do we have the same hair properties?
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
I'm always talking about how much I love Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream. They call the hold "soft" but I don't get why, it's at least a medium hold, in my hair at least. And I really want to try the CJ CCCCL. I also really like AG Re:Coil, though I consider it more of a creme-gel because it doesn't work (for me) without a leave-in underneath and the hold is very strong. Some curlies don't find the hold strong though, and top it with gel.
Originally Posted by diaspora
I've always avoided things that say they give lite hold or soft hold. I never thought it would be enough.

I've been considering trying the AG:recoil creme. Haven't bought it yet obviously. But that might be my next on the ground purchase.

Diaspora, what are your hair properties? I'm on my phone so i can't see signatures at the moment. Do we have the same hair properties?
Originally Posted by beeduh
We're both fine texture (I have all types but the majority are fine) and similar porosity, I'm low-medium, and dense, don't know my elasticity.

Yeah Alba would sell a lot more tubes if they removed the "soft hold" from the tube. It even feels a bit crunchy in spots until it dries.

I think Re:Coil is a great product, I would try it if I were you. It does not encourage my curls though, what it's best at is giving me amazing clumps and strong hold. It brings out my waves more than my curls. This could likely be technique though, when I was using it regularly I did not scrunch. I plan to add it into my rotation again now that I know more tricks. I love the way it smells (like vanilla frosting) and I'm very allergy-prone.
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
So far, from what I've noticed, I get really bad dry hair when I use gels. Not all the time though, and it also depends on what gel I use. I'm seriously starting to lean more toward the more natural jellys.

I started out trying to keep a hair journal, but I kinda stopped a little ways into it.
Originally Posted by beeduh
I get the dry hair too with the gels, and it gets all frizzy. :P then the creams don't give enough hold, even though my hair loves the moisture. At least, all the creams I've used haven't worked that great. I was looking At some different natural jellys too since starting CG a few days ago. Do you have any recommendations? Your hair properties sounds kind of like mine.

I just got AG recoil today, and am trying it out now. It's drying on the top of my head in a pineapple, the product junkie in me just couldn't wait till morning so far so good, but it doesnt seem to have much hold. I used it over a tiny bit of leave in and some gel on top, which could explain the frizz...

Diaspora, what technique did you put in the recoil without scrunching? My hair is pretty thick and longish, so sometimes scrunching just doesnt do the trick. And raking product through always leaves me with stringy or frizzy hair that has no clumps at all
So far, the only jellys I've tried are KCCC and curly kinks coil jam. I'm in love with coil jam.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
Diaspora, what technique did you put in the recoil without scrunching? My hair is pretty thick and longish, so sometimes scrunching just doesnt do the trick. And raking product through always leaves me with stringy or frizzy hair that has no clumps at all
Originally Posted by Michellescurls

My usual method for applying products is to cost my hands, tilt my head so that my hair falls straight to the ground instead of against my head, and smooth it in. I have extremely dense hair but it's only shoulder length, but I find that if I do this and then run a light scrunch around the ends I get good coverage.
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Diaspora, what technique did you put in the recoil without scrunching? My hair is pretty thick and longish, so sometimes scrunching just doesnt do the trick. And raking product through always leaves me with stringy or frizzy hair that has no clumps at all
Originally Posted by Michellescurls

My usual method for applying products is to cost my hands, tilt my head so that my hair falls straight to the ground instead of against my head, and smooth it in. I have extremely dense hair but it's only shoulder length, but I find that if I do this and then run a light scrunch around the ends I get good coverage.
Originally Posted by rolltidegal
I apply products similarly. For Re:Coil I rake the LI in with my fingers, then I rake in the product. With my head tilted to the side, I smooth my hair with my hands and it clumps up again into huge clumps. I scrunch these clumps up to my roots. Part, and air-dry. My hair is long too.

ETA: I didn't used to scrunch when i first used Re:Coil-- I'd simply rake it in over my LI. My hair would come out with looser curls than usual, more wavy than curly. If I'm going for that look, cool, but if not I would scrunch. And I have found the trick for me to get good clumps if I'm not doing the "apply products to super-wet hair" thing but raking instead, is to smooth my hands over my hair and it re-clumps, it shouldn't be stringy if you're using products you like and are smoothing after you rake.
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.

Last edited by diaspora; 05-03-2012 at 08:08 AM.
My usual method was To scrunch/ rake my LI and same with my recoil, then scrunch in gel... Didn't work great for curl formation or to get rid of frizz. Gel always makes my hair frizzy though, so that doesn't help much. I'll have to give these methods a try!

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