5 Things a Stylist Should NEVER Say to a Curly Client

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My rule of thumb when finding a stylist is that I ONLY see people who themselves have naturally curly hair.
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The one I cringe at the most is "Let me put some layers in your hair" EVERY single time someone layers my hair I end up with a shelf on my head. Why don't they understand that it's going to bounce up more than straight hair does?
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"Oh, I have naturally curly hair, too. I just straighten it every day."

At least the ones who say this know that if you cut an inch it is going to look like you cut at least 3 inches when it is dry.

I've got to find someone to cut my hair dry!!

I've got to find someone to cut my hair dry!!
Originally Posted by LynnNH
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"Damn have you considered a perm?"
"You broke my brush."
"Dear God. I should take my lunch break now."
"You should let me cut it!"
"There are a lot of customers today. Maybe you should come to tomorrow! *calls for client with straight hair*"
Originally Posted by curls4achange
Wow some of these stylists are really rude. Personally I've always cut my own hair. The only time I went into a salon I never got past looking at a few photos. thinking back none of the models had really curly hair. this thread makes me maybe I should just keep cutting my own hair.
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Sometimes when I lie awake at night I ask.
"Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says.
"This is going to take all night."
Just curious--what about if the stylist tells you to never scrunch your hair--the traditional scrunching is what causes all the frizziness, only comb with a wide comb and shake.

Just wondering since everywhere on here I see scrunching when hair is nice wet, conditioned, and gelled and the results seem to be pretty amazing.
Just curious--what about if the stylist tells you to never scrunch your hair--the traditional scrunching is what causes all the frizziness, only comb with a wide comb and shake.

Just wondering since everywhere on here I see scrunching when hair is nice wet, conditioned, and gelled and the results seem to be pretty amazing.
Originally Posted by Becca7
Just curious--did the stylist that said that have beautiful, defined, amazing curls?

If she did, then she might be able to give you advice on how to replicate her results, and you should listen to her advice the same way you should listen to the advice of anyone who can show you the results of their advice. If she didn't have great results from her advice, then you should listen to the advice of people here who are getting the results you are looking for.
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Experimenting with too many products to name here. All this great info keeps my head spinning.
Just curious--what about if the stylist tells you to never scrunch your hair--the traditional scrunching is what causes all the frizziness, only comb with a wide comb and shake.

Just wondering since everywhere on here I see scrunching when hair is nice wet, conditioned, and gelled and the results seem to be pretty amazing.
Originally Posted by Becca7
Just curious--did the stylist that said that have beautiful, defined, amazing curls?

If she did, then she might be able to give you advice on how to replicate her results, and you should listen to her advice the same way you should listen to the advice of anyone who can show you the results of their advice. If she didn't have great results from her advice, then you should listen to the advice of people here who are getting the results you are looking for.
Originally Posted by raindear
It was a guy...every person I talked to including some random people weigh ins on a facebook status was he is the go to guy, the salon also said he does all their African american clients--he had some pics posted at his station showing curly hair but he had his head shaved at my appointment...

Looking back I question his knowledge for curls, in the appointment he said a lot of the things others posted, told me I NEEDED 3 products if I ever hope to coax curls out (looked them up at home all loaded with cones--glad I didn't buy them). I looked up salons and one lady is listed on this site, it's a tiny town and I don't know her, but I'm gonna see if she is still in business if not I hope I can talk a girl I know who has amazing curls who quit work as a stylist to be a SAHM to do my hair.
My rule of thumb when finding a stylist is that I ONLY see people who themselves have naturally curly hair.
Originally Posted by amynw79
I used to think this but my new fabulous stylist has bone straight hair but loves and appreciates curls. She gave me the best haircut of my life.
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I'm lucky, the only time I've ever been asked if I wanted my hair straightened was when I was 13 and I was still in the stage of hating my hair. My last haircut was about 4 years ago. I desperately need one, I'm just so wary!
I don't go to stylists anymore, I've been cutting and coloring my own for years, but I had a HORRIBLE experience today.

Started CG in may, and it's obvious I need a cut. I started looking into Ouidad and Deva cuts to see what would be best for me and obviously I figured I'd go to an expert.

I found a place on the salon finder here, and when I spoke to a young lady who was kind of weirded out when I started explaining my CG journey and my reasoning for wanting a Deva cut. She explained their process and told me they use all the DevaCurl products which I originally started with. I very, VERY kindly told her that I used them when I first started and simply didn't like the way they made my hair feel or the smell because it made my allergies kind of act up when I used it, and just asked if they had any alternatives. She proceeded to tell me that I was 'obviously using them wrong' and then lectured me about using silicones and sulfates. I went ahead and let her finish then replied that I haven't used either in any of my products. I told her I had become very familiar with the CG method and really just wanted a Deva cut to get rid of my ends I used to straighten and also to enhance my curl pattern to its best potential.

This must have upset her because she said, "Well, I just don't know what to tell you. You're using the Deva products wrong, and you obviously are using silicones!" So I told her I'd have to think about it and hung up the phone. Yep, that's right, she never even saw my hair.

I know I'm no expert, but I will say that I know my hair enough at this point to know what it likes and doesn't like. I know they usually have a partnership with special products, and things like that but I was planning on being a paying and returning customer, but she wasn't even willing to work with me. It kind of hurt my feelings to hear her say I didn't know what I was doing.
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Styling Products: KCCC, KY, Deva Arc AnGel, HESMU
I don't go to stylists anymore, I've been cutting and coloring my own for years, but I had a HORRIBLE experience today.

Started CG in may, and it's obvious I need a cut. I started looking into Ouidad and Deva cuts to see what would be best for me and obviously I figured I'd go to an expert.

I found a place on the salon finder here, and when I spoke to a young lady who was kind of weirded out when I started explaining my CG journey and my reasoning for wanting a Deva cut. She explained their process and told me they use all the DevaCurl products which I originally started with. I very, VERY kindly told her that I used them when I first started and simply didn't like the way they made my hair feel or the smell because it made my allergies kind of act up when I used it, and just asked if they had any alternatives. She proceeded to tell me that I was 'obviously using them wrong' and then lectured me about using silicones and sulfates. I went ahead and let her finish then replied that I haven't used either in any of my products. I told her I had become very familiar with the CG method and really just wanted a Deva cut to get rid of my ends I used to straighten and also to enhance my curl pattern to its best potential.

This must have upset her because she said, "Well, I just don't know what to tell you. You're using the Deva products wrong, and you obviously are using silicones!" So I told her I'd have to think about it and hung up the phone. Yep, that's right, she never even saw my hair.

I know I'm no expert, but I will say that I know my hair enough at this point to know what it likes and doesn't like. I know they usually have a partnership with special products, and things like that but I was planning on being a paying and returning customer, but she wasn't even willing to work with me. It kind of hurt my feelings to hear her say I didn't know what I was doing.
Originally Posted by SweetSquatchii
That sounds both surreal and absolutely normal. Surreal that you would be accused of misusing the product for having an allergic reaction. Absolutely normal that an employee wants to make you believe that only their products will work. Feel like saying, "Yes Virginia, there are other products without sulfates and silicones out there."

She also reminds me of this that I used to say about myself: "I remember when I knew all the answers. Unfortunately, I woke up one day to find someone had changed all the questions." She is in for a rude awakening when it happens to her.
Be Happy!

Type:2b/3ab?
Texture:Medium/fine
Porosity:Normal
Elasticity:Normal

Experimenting with too many products to name here. All this great info keeps my head spinning.
I'm getting a cut tomorrow from a lady I have never been too but I was told she had naturally curly hair herself and the lady who booked the appointment said she had curly hair as well and that is who cuts her hair. So I am going to keep my fingers crossed that all goes well! She said she cut it wet but it was more about the angle you cut it at.. I don't know about it but I simply can't afford a deva or quidad cut. Oh and I think the worst thing a stylist can do rather than say is cut your hair with a razor or strait across.
I don't go to stylists anymore, I've been cutting and coloring my own for years, but I had a HORRIBLE experience today.

Started CG in may, and it's obvious I need a cut. I started looking into Ouidad and Deva cuts to see what would be best for me and obviously I figured I'd go to an expert.

I found a place on the salon finder here, and when I spoke to a young lady who was kind of weirded out when I started explaining my CG journey and my reasoning for wanting a Deva cut. She explained their process and told me they use all the DevaCurl products which I originally started with. I very, VERY kindly told her that I used them when I first started and simply didn't like the way they made my hair feel or the smell because it made my allergies kind of act up when I used it, and just asked if they had any alternatives. She proceeded to tell me that I was 'obviously using them wrong' and then lectured me about using silicones and sulfates. I went ahead and let her finish then replied that I haven't used either in any of my products. I told her I had become very familiar with the CG method and really just wanted a Deva cut to get rid of my ends I used to straighten and also to enhance my curl pattern to its best potential.

This must have upset her because she said, "Well, I just don't know what to tell you. You're using the Deva products wrong, and you obviously are using silicones!" So I told her I'd have to think about it and hung up the phone. Yep, that's right, she never even saw my hair.

I know I'm no expert, but I will say that I know my hair enough at this point to know what it likes and doesn't like. I know they usually have a partnership with special products, and things like that but I was planning on being a paying and returning customer, but she wasn't even willing to work with me. It kind of hurt my feelings to hear her say I didn't know what I was doing.
Originally Posted by SweetSquatchii
That sounds both surreal and absolutely normal. Surreal that you would be accused of misusing the product for having an allergic reaction. Absolutely normal that an employee wants to make you believe that only their products will work. Feel like saying, "Yes Virginia, there are other products without sulfates and silicones out there."

She also reminds me of this that I used to say about myself: "I remember when I knew all the answers. Unfortunately, I woke up one day to find someone had changed all the questions." She is in for a rude awakening when it happens to her.
Originally Posted by raindear
I definitely didn't want to act like I knew more than her, because honestly I I probably don't know even half of her knowledge. The one thing I did know was what wasn't going to make me comfortable and a sneezing sniffy mess later and she was adamant that even my allergies were the result me me doing it wrong. I think that's what was so surreal about it for me too.

Oh well, I found a retired stylist friend of mine who is trained in Deva Cuts and I plan on going to her instead. She's even willing to use my products!
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Cowash: Burt's Bee's More Moisture Boabab
[B]Conditioner/LI: Nature's Gate Tea Tree Conditioner - I don't RO
Styling Products: KCCC, KY, Deva Arc AnGel, HESMU
I remember a stylist telling me many many years ago (when I wanted to grow my corkscrews long) that 'your hair will never get long- it'll just get bigger'.

Yeah, sure- as long as people like YOU are styling it- brushing it when it's only damp/dry and triple shampooing so it's like a rat's nest! This was before the introduction of silicones, so though I don't use them now, just imagine that he couldn't even temporarily make my curls 'behave' by covering them with cones! ugh.

Anyway- my curls are short now (growing out after a semi-bc following Japanese straightening for 6 years). However, they have been very long and, of course I get shrinkage, but still, curly hair can and DOES get long when it's properly taken care of! :-)
I remember a stylist telling me many many years ago (when I wanted to grow my corkscrews long) that 'your hair will never get long- it'll just get bigger'.

Yeah, sure- as long as people like YOU are styling it- brushing it when it's only damp/dry and triple shampooing so it's like a rat's nest! This was before the introduction of silicones, so though I don't use them now, just imagine that he couldn't even temporarily make my curls 'behave' by covering them with cones! ugh.

Anyway- my curls are short now (growing out after a semi-bc following Japanese straightening for 6 years). However, they have been very long and, of course I get shrinkage, but still, curly hair can and DOES get long when it's properly taken care of! :-)
Originally Posted by deena.bailar
Agreed! My hair is almost Waist Length, wavy with ringlets in the mix and I get stopped by people all the time asking if I have extensions or how I got my hair that long. Taking care of it over the years seems to be shocking to most people!




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[B]Conditioner/LI: Nature's Gate Tea Tree Conditioner - I don't RO
Styling Products: KCCC, KY, Deva Arc AnGel, HESMU
I'm so glad you asked this question! I've been pretty much on my own in the curly battle in most of my life, until I found this website and a few blogs in the last couple of months and I realised that there were other people that never touched their hair with a brush outside of the shower or only washed it every few days. My frizzy hair was a source of insecurity for as long as I can remember, and I only began to love my curls in the last 3 or 4 years.

That being said, when you're just starting to accept your hair, the worst thing a hair dresser could ever do is tell you how "terrible" your hair is – which is exactly what happened to me. I had gone to a hair salon that wasn't my usual hair dresser just to get a deep conditioning treatment and get it straightened for a special occasion (I mistakenly assumed that any old hair dresser was capable of that simple task). After the treatment the hair dresser proceeded to hack (literally, hack) at my hair with the various styling tools designed for smooth straight hair. She attempted to detangle it starting at the root (!!) and practically ripped it to shreds, all the while muttering to herself "oh, just terrible, terrible. So dry. So tangled...", and many other negative comments about my hair. I only stuck around to see a couple of the sections she had straightened before I realised she had no experience whatsoever with curly hair because it was unbelievably frizzy and the furthest thing from straight. I left right away and refused to pay for anything besides the treatment. Then I went home and cried :/

Now in hindsight, I feel like the reason she was so adamant to inform me how horrible my hair was, was that she could tell that she was doing a very poor job at straightening it and wanted to defend herself. But at the expense of my self-esteem it was a very thoughtless thing to do. A hairdresser's job is to be able to handle all hair types. If they are incapable of that task it is their own fault and not the client's, and they should not blame their own incompetence on the hair we were born with.

Last edited by monkiram; 08-21-2012 at 10:43 AM.
"I have to straighten your hair in order to trim it." So not true!
"This product/treatment will loosen your curls".

Why do they automatically assume I want to loosen them, and not define them or leave them as is?
The second time I ever went to a hair dresser they blow dried my hair without a diffuser and it was a nightmare. My hair lost all its curls and it was just a HUGE ball of frizz with the radius of about 13 inches out (ok maybe I'm exaggerating but it was really bad). Everyone that came in was staring at me and a the hair dresser beside mine laugh and started speaking in an other language. :/ Is there a way I can cut my own hair???

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