Fine, Highlighted & Porous

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Ok, is this thing working today? lol

Last edited by sheilacurl; 06-12-2012 at 04:05 PM.
Luckily, I copied and pasted and saved this last night before I posted it…just in case

Update: I used SS PRT last night after using Elucence's low poo and then followed up with my cheap suave coconuts (instead of good CJ condish's) and things are looking a bit better today. I also used (tons of) my homemade flaxseed gel and topped it off with some SS FHG on top, plopped for a 1/2 hour (which I'm still not used to doing ) and diffused bits and pieces for about 5 minutes.

The difference in the feeling and the look of my hair is almost night and day, but the problem is (and I do this all the time) that I don't know exactly what made it better, cause I tried too many new things all at once, lol! Why do I do that??? Does anyone else get excited and tries so many new things at once, you don't know which thing or product helped??? lol

All I know is my hair is shinier, softer and the frizz seems to be mostly underneath my pony tail from turning my head and rubbing on my shirt by the end of the day. So hopefully I can use the same stylers tomorrow and get the same result. I'm just not sure which rinse out to use. I also love the "touch-ability" of my hair compared to before where it felt so icky.

The L.A. Looks Sport Gel is going back to Walmart.

To refresh it this morning, I just emulsified some SS FHG in my hands with a bit of water and did a quick once over on my hair instead of spritzing my hair with water first. That seemed to cut down on frizz as well.
What I tried to post the other day was that I use Joiwhip mousse. Paul Mitchell do a good one too but it's expensive (it is here anyway).
3b in South Australia.
Yay, tomorrow we are going to the mainland and I'm going to pick up some Knox gelatin. I can't wait to try this protein treatment! Thanks ladies for all of your help
What I tried to post the other day was that I use Joiwhip mousse. Paul Mitchell do a good one too but it's expensive (it is here anyway).
Originally Posted by Starmie

Thanks Starmie! I'm reading the reviews right now and I'm getting so excited to try the Joiwhip mousse!
Hope it works for you - and happy shopping!
3b in South Australia.
I know that this is from last summer but I just wanted to confess that I just tried out the gelatin treatment last week . I came across an easy microwave version and was able to mix it up in a coffee mug. I'm so embarrassed to say that it took me this long to try the PT out, especially after all of your advice. Why ask for advice if you're not going to take it??? Sorry everyone…

I've slowed waaaaaaaay down on the Elucence Low Poo and now I only use the CHS: Treatment Shampoo once in a while now. I finally got it though my thick skull and that it doesn't take a stronger shampoo to get rid of my build up, it's all about technique, baby.

I'm using and loving one of the SheaMoisture low poos and I can use a lighter conditioner now that I'm not stripping my hair of it's moisture anymore, d'uh. Man, am I stubborn.

I was so worried about a greasy scalp from not cleansing it with a harsher shampoo. It was drilled into my head growing up that I had to shampoo twice! Well, how did that work out for me???

I forgive you, mom.

If I do get the itchies, which is more often than I'd like but I work out daily and get really sweaty so this is a great fix; it's time for a brown sugar scrub with some good ol' V05 condish. NOT time to use a harsh cleanser. That will just make me greasier by the next day.

This is probably old news to a lot of people on here but I guess as a Product Addict, I just wanted to admit that the advice on here is amazing, you just have to try it and see for yourself.
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

Fine, highlighted and very porous here. Hello.

I've found this thread interesting, I really know what you mean about hair that feels like dry straw before you wash but as soon as the water hits it changes completely. Mine changes back as it dries too. I find the ends which are the worse damage are often not just dry, but dried out, while the roots are still damp/wet.

Do you think the Elucence wasn't that good then, or just not for everyday? I read that they do an acidifying shampoo that is good for highlighted hair, not tried it though as I'd have to gamble on huge bottle.

Glad to hear the protein is working so well for you!
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.
Hey Lucy!

Thanks for the reply, it's nice to know I'm not alone. Hmm, you feel that straw like feeling until you wet your hair too? I'll have to look at your siggy (when I'm on the big computer, lol) to see what you are using. As for the Elucence shampoo, it's a good product, but I was using it every other day. Then I would over compensate by using way too much of a rich conditioner. I also assumed that moisture was the best thing for my hair but I was wrong, it is all about that balance everyone talks about.
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

Also, as for an acidifying shampoo, I'll have to google that later or do you know of any? I am afraid of getting over moisturized again but hopefully the protein will help instead of assuming that a harsher cleanser was needed.
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

You can add ACV to your poo of condish to make it "acidifying". Or add lemon or grapefruit juice!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
This is the one I was thinking of, not seen it mentioned much -

Elucence Moisture Acidifying Shampoo - CurlMart

I've been mainly co washing, but I've decided to cleanse a bit more (maybe every week) as I do use some oils, and I want to make sure that they're not blocking the uptake of proteins/conditioning ingredients. I don't like most shampoos because although my hair is so much better wet, that moment when the shampoo is in and taking off all conditioners tends to be a bit stripping and tangling. I've been cowashing mainly to avoid that and any breakage that comes with it.

You're so right about balance I think. I think we might just need lots of moisture and lots of protein. There's lots about how protein can make your hair feel hard/dry, and moisture is the answer...but for porous or damaged hair maybe we need that protein to give our hair the structure to hang onto moisture -

THE NATURAL HAVEN: Moisture Issue: Proteins and moisture levels!
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.
Jas, sorry to pester you with questions but that sounds like a good idea. How much lemon juice would you use do you think - like a tablespoon?
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.
I'd probably try 1-2tsp and see how that does. Of course hair length and density play into how much shampoo or condish you use, so that would influence the amounts.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Thanks, think I'll be at the upper end of that as do use a lot of product!
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.
I found this on Elucence's site:

"Q: When would I use Moisture Acidifying Shampoo instead of Volume Clarifying Shampoo?
A: If you are a stylist, Moisture Acidifying Shampoo would be used following a chemical service when the client's hair texture requires extra softening, detangling, and moisturizing."

I had never heard of this. Jas, I was always wondering why you added acv to your shampoo, lol. Thanks for helping us
Interesting, I'd like to try it although from that quote they don't really say if it is for regular use. I guess it is something to do with acid/cuticle since bleached hair has such raised cuticles. In the Uk the only place I've seen it sells a litre for £22 which is why I never tried it, would prefer to sample a smaller/cheaper size. I'll try the lemon juice anyway!
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.
A lot of people will do an Apple Cider Vinegar rinse after they shampoo to help close up the cuticle. I just never thought of putting ACV in my shampoo. At least that's something economical that you could pick up at the store
I put it in my RO a lot - saves the step of ACV rinse!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Jas, how often would you say you add acv to your rinse out and about how much? I thought I heard (read, lol) that acv can be drying. I guess too much of anything can be bad, as we all know.
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

iHerb Discount Code: SAF007

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