Crispy or frizzy......

Hi, again,

Ok, sorry I seem to be taking over the board here, but I feel like I'm starting out on this journey and know nothing at all. I've always had poof and frizz, the curls only really exist when my hair is wet. Recently I read that gel is best for curls, so i went out and bought John Frieda Curl Controller Gel for curly hair, and Fructis Pure Fix Gel, just to try.

But my hair is crispy with both products. The gels feel very thick, and dont pull through the hair nicely. The curls are stuck still and dont move. If I dont use products i have a big ball of cotton wool on my head, and look exactly like Charlie Chuck! So at the moment I have to choose between crispy or frizzy!


Does anyone have any suggestions for something that remains soft, and yet controls the curls?

If this is in the wrong place, I apologize, I'm still finding my feet!

Ohh and I'm going to try to upload a sort of curl journey soon!

Thanks ladies

Love Liz xx
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I haven't used those particular gels but you have to scrunch the crunch out of gels when you use them.

http://www.jessicurl.com/Demo-Videos-p-6.html

watch the scrunch out the crunch video to see what I mean
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Maybe you can try other products?

I use Kiss My Face Upper Management gel and it does not make my hair crispy. I have used Citreshine gel in the past and it didn't make my hair as crispy as other gels. I find Fructis products to be ****ey, IMO. They have never worked in my hair without my hair feeling coated, crispy, and product-y.

Mousse is another option. I don't find that it holds my hair enough but it could work for you. What type of hair do you have?

You may also want to try a more moisturizing conditioner and get a leave-in conditioner. There's a few threads on leave-ins, everyone seems to like something different.
3C/4A and too long to handle (and afford!)
Because not all heads of curly hair are alike, I can honestly tell you that you don't have to use gel in order to maintain curly hair. I am a 3B, with naturally very dry, medium-to-coarse curls and even though I used to use all different types of curl defining products in my hair in the past that included both styling gels and creams. I no longer use gel in my hair at all, and I have gotten my hair to retain more moisture without gel, than with.

I'm with you on wanting soft, touchable curls, and not dry, stiff looking curls, that can't even move. And if your hair turns out crispy whenever you use either John Frieda or Pure Fix Gels, and you would rather yout hair come out soft and frizz free, then you are gonna have to switch to using something else in your hair. Then when you buy a product such as a gel or styling lotion/cream(look for one that says that it will give your hair soft or light hold), and make sure that it has moisturizing properties included in it, is alcohol free, and doesn't have PVP or VP/Copolymer listed high on the ingredient listing, and that has natural oils and not synthetic oils added to it. Synthetic oils coat the hair, and the other ingredients that I have listed will leave your curls on the stiff side for sure.

So whether you buy from CurlMart or over-the-counter, just remember all the information that I am giving you and you should do okay.
"Curls Tester"
Products in my current regime: Nioxin Scalp Therapy Shampoo, ORS Replenishing Pak, Curls Whipped Cream, Curls Souffle, Curls Spiral Curls Cream, Curls Milkshake, Curls Quenched, BB(Bonner Brothers) Growth Lotion
I think you should try the curly girl routine.
Ok so the theory goes is that sulfates, a common ingrediant in shampoo is very very bad for curly hair. This is because sulfates (a common ingrediant also found in dishwashing detergent) really dries out curly hair, and curly hair is already naturally dry. Because of all of that, in the curly girl routine there is no shampooing at all, you only use conditoner. Conditoner, as explained in the curly girl book, along with friction (such as scrubbing) will clean your hair just as well as any sulfates, but leave your hair moisturized and therefore managable.
As for products, you can use anything you would like except things that have silicone in them. Silicone coats the hair, and because your not shampooing, the silicone builds up and weighs down hair.

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlsc...les.php?id=326

in that link, the first list, antionic surfactants, is a list for sulfates. If you go down more, you can find a list of silicones.

Now sometimes after a month or so of following this routine, and once there hair is back in shape, people will return to shampooing every once and a while, and also turn back to light silicones (cones for short). But this usually only happens after people go strict cg to get their hair healthy again.

Another thing that you may hear people on the boards talking about is proteins. ( a list of which can be found in link) Proteins generally are good for all hair types, but some people can be sensitive to them and so proteins dry their hair out. The only way to find out is to experiment with them.

So yeah thats everything. It should get your hair in good shape.

2c/3a
Growing out hair to a little above bsl
pw: ringlets
Thankyou everyone, you people are awesome!

I havent tried scrunching like that, I try not to touch after its dry because when I touch the frizz monster rears its head! I will give it a go like the demo shows though, I'm willing to try anything for my hair to look its best!

I have something in between 3b and 4, sort of like Julianna Margulies but coarse, oh dear, so very very coarse. Mine doesnt go into spirals like hers, unless its damp. My hair is like pubic hair, really. The curls have no structure, no shape, so my hair just looks BIG. Each strand is fat, but varies along the strand, thin and fat, with little bumps. Wiry is the best word im afraid! I really want to learn to love it, I just need to understand it I think. Weird how each strand changes swidth all the way along, does anyone else get this, I havent seen it before in anyone else.

I have just ordered the Curly Girl book. I really want to try this, after seeing lots of your pics on here, I was inspired! It looks like I'm going to have to start looking more carefully at products and their ingredients...I'm feeling a little overwhelmed now, there is so much to learn!

Thankyou all for your suggestions.

Love Liz x
Here are my curly pics, password is fuzz

http://public.fotki.com/zeldagoblin/

But then again, too few to mention...

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