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Old 06-12-2012, 10:18 PM   #1
 
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My 13 year old daughter tried to go CG with me in '09. 6 weeks into our hair journey she went to spend a week with her dad and came home non-CG. Her straight haired step mom convinced her that it was gross and unhealthy, and I haven't been able to change that. Since then she has been keeping her hair pulled back and straightening it to keep it somewhat under control, but even that doesn't really help.
The last few weeks she has been hinting that we need to do something with it to make it look better, but that something has to include shampoo. Not sulfates exactly, but she has to have a bottle that says shampoo. Since I am CG and don't use shampoo at all, I need some help with what she can or should use. Or better put, I don't understand much even if I am CG. I just found what workes for me and stuck with it. Her hair is a bit more complex than mine.
Her type is 2A at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it should have more of a curl than it does right now. It's like her curl just went away overnight, and stayed away. The curl texture is still there, and it really curls after her shower, but as soon as it dries the curls drop, even with gel. She is really porous, extreamly dry. Her texture seems to be fine on the crown, then normal underneath. Her hair doesn't like much protein or aloe. She just got it cut 2 weeks ago, about 4 inches off.
I tried to give you as much info as I could, but I'm willing to answer any questions that may help you help us figure out what we should do. Thanks in advance!
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:56 PM   #2
 
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If she doesn't regularly use silicones, I would have her try the Shea Moisture moisture retention shampoo. It's extremely gentle and has the word 'shampoo' on the bottle. But it won't remove silicones. If her styling products and/or conditioner contain silicones, then she will need a shampoo with sulfate or coco betaine to remove them or they will buildup on her hair. CG-friendly products don't contain sulfates (which are harsh for curly hair) or silicones (which build up on hair).
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:59 AM   #3
 
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I follow a modified CG routine, mainly because I've found products that I like that have sulfates and silicones. Would your daughter be open to a cleansing conditioner? The CURLS cleansing conditioner (can be found at Target) and Curl Junkie Daily Fix both contain coco betaine so they can handle cone products. If she's adamant about the word "shampoo" the new Renpure Organics shampoos are on the more gentle side (Keratin or Argan Oil). My other favorite is actually a gentle sulfate shampoo (I find it leaves my hair softer and less stripped than most of the sulfate-free shampoos I've tried)- Curly Hair Solutions Treatment Shampoo. If she is protein sensitive another gentle sulfate option is Redken Fresh Curls.

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Ok, I guess my biggest problem was if a low poo was able to remove silicones. I feel like I have a second chance here and I don't want to mess it up so forgive me if I ask obvious questions.
She isn't picky about condish or styling products as long as they don't have a strong smell, so I could basically do CG products and add a sulfate free shampoo like Shea Moisture moisture retention shampoo? And if that was the case, how often would she have to "wash" her hair? She could co-wash most of the time, right? It doesn't sound like the shampoo would actually hurt anything and if it makes her feel better about CG, I'm all for it.
Am I missing anything?
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:18 AM   #5
 
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Ok, I guess my biggest problem was if a low poo was able to remove silicones. I feel like I have a second chance here and I don't want to mess it up so forgive me if I ask obvious questions.
She isn't picky about condish or styling products as long as they don't have a strong smell, so I could basically do CG products and add a sulfate free shampoo like Shea Moisture moisture retention shampoo? And if that was the case, how often would she have to "wash" her hair? She could co-wash most of the time, right? It doesn't sound like the shampoo would actually hurt anything and if it makes her feel better about CG, I'm all for it.
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If there are no silicones involved Shea Moisture would work well. How often she would use it would depend on when she feels the need. I co-wash most days and rotate in shampoo if I use cones or if I feel like my hair needs something a little stronger.

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Ok, I guess my biggest problem was if a low poo was able to remove silicones. I feel like I have a second chance here and I don't want to mess it up so forgive me if I ask obvious questions.
She isn't picky about condish or styling products as long as they don't have a strong smell, so I could basically do CG products and add a sulfate free shampoo like Shea Moisture moisture retention shampoo? And if that was the case, how often would she have to "wash" her hair? She could co-wash most of the time, right? It doesn't sound like the shampoo would actually hurt anything and if it makes her feel better about CG, I'm all for it.
Am I missing anything?
Yes, you are exactly right. If there are no cones, then SM shampoo is fine. It's so gentle I would think she could use it daily without a problem, but you'll just have to see how it goes for her. A lot of wavies cannot exclusively co-wash. I am one of them. I rotate between 2 low-poos and a cleansing conditioner, and only maybe once a week do I straight co-wash (and I usually am planning to just pull my hair back the day I do that). Too much moisture just doesn't work for my hair, and I need a low-poo to just freshen up my 2c curls almost every day.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:22 AM   #7
 
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If you want to work in a gentle sulfate shampoo, any of the shampoos from Trader Joe's are great, and alot of the curlies on here like the Spa Nourish Shampoo. It's also a great bargain at under $4 for a big (12 or 16 oz, I forget) bottle.
All of the TJ poos have great ingredients, and while they do have a sulfate in them, it is more than halfway down the ingredient list, so it is not as harsh on the hair because the amount in the shampoo is, proportionally speaking, minimal.
The sulfate in the Trader Joe's shampoos is coconut derived, which does not make it any less of a sulfate, but it is not chemically derived, if that makes a difference. Some people feel that coconut derived sulfates are less harsh. I don't I feel the amount of sulfate in the shampoo makes them less harsh and the TJ's poos are good about that.

These are very good for removing buildup and doing a cleanse once a week or so when you feel like you might need something stronger than a no-poo/cowash.
I like the TJ Refresh shampoo, but I think the Nourish is also very good.

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Old 06-13-2012, 12:53 PM   #8
 
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These are good suggestions...

But I just gotta say it, being a stepmom myself... How dare she over step like that? If you and your daughter were following ANYTHING she should have left that alone.

I'mma stop there because I definitely have some unfavorable commentary about that Sista. LoL!

ANYWAY!!! Yes, I'd suggest sulfate free stuff and good conditioners.




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