Gel or Not? on Curly Girl?

I thought it was ok to use gel on Curly Girl. As I Recall Ms. Massey recommends in the book that the gel should contain PVP/vA. I also could swear I heard her say to use gel when she was on one of those monring shows a few says ago.

But today I came across this article that claims she says not to use gel.

http://beauty.ivillage.com/hair/cuts...xm5t-p,00.html



Now I am confused.

Can anyone clarify/explain please?

Thank you for your time.
I've got news for them in her book and in her salons and on that show she said to use gel. and Pvp gel is correct.
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It was probably just taken out of context. Because she always says to use a Conditioning gel. The 'gel' refrence was probably made to mean alcohol filled and dehydrating gels. Conditioning gels with a leave is my fave combo.
She also said on the Today show that you shouldn't use gels that have plastic resins in them. Pvp/va is a plastic resin, which happens to be in her gels...I am confused.
Yes and she says no cones and then her products have that A cone in them.
It's enough to make your head spin isn't it?
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
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If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
She has helped the curly girl embrace her curls. However, she constantly contradicts herself cone, plastic, dry cutting. She says that sulfates are harmful to the environment, is this from the rumors in the late 90s? I know sulfates are drying and strip color more quickly, but these sulfate are also in our toothpastes. So, I ask does she use backing soda on when she brushes her teeth?

If you ask me, she like everyone else, is out to make a buck. So, they will say things that will make you think that they are different than the rest and thus buy their products. She even talked about how in the UK they cut curly hair dry and just the other day someone here, from the UK, said they never seen anyone do that.

I am constantly looking at different products out there and a lot of them have very similar ingredients. It sometimes makes me question if some of these salon owners just go to a company that makes hair or face products and adjusts the ingredients a bit and slaps a label on it, not actually having anything to do with making something from scratch. I know for a fact that this does actually happen.

I just think you have to try things and trust yourself. You know yourself better than anyone.
Maybe I'm crazy but your specialty is hair, curly hair, why are you opening a spa? Do you suddenly know everything about skin care?

I guess my problem w/Devachan is that they are constantly increasing their prices more so than other salons. You say you want to help the curly girl embrace her curls but you make it difficult for them with such high prices. If you look at their website they never list their price. Is this because cause they forgot or because the numbers are always changing?
sooo....what products do you use nelly? probably not anything from devachan huh?
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Not anymore. I used them for a while but something was really drying out my ends. Probably the gel. At the moment, I am using John Masters organics along with nature's gates organic lav & aloe.

However, I am sure I will try something different when I finish them. Not that I don't like them but I've always switched around products when I finished something - whether it's hair products or facial.

I have the same view w/ working out, if you do the same routine all the time your body stops getting the same benefits that it orginally got when you started.

So, on that note, who knows maybe I'll try noo poo again...
She also said on the Today show that you shouldn't use gels that have plastic resins in them. Pvp/va is a plastic resin, which happens to be in her gels...I am confused.
Originally Posted by nelly
I went back and watched the video clip again. She said don't use sticky gels with plastic resin. IMO, this advice would not rule out unsticky gels with plastic resin.

All-in-all, I think she gives good advice, but it is just advice. She's not infallible. (did I spell that right. I'm too lazy right now to check the dictionary.)

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Brio, I went back and listen too and she said that "you have to look for a gel that's not sticky and doesn't have plastic resins in it". So, I don't know if I agree with you...
Yeah, she has always been kinda confusing to me too. Like I said in another thread: I do like her philosophy though. I am not a CGer though. I like my shampoo, although it is SLS free.



Love the terms she uses on stuff too.
"We call frizzy hair roadkill it's lifeless hair without moisture....."
"....a curly-haired woman who uses one [Ref. to Blow Dryer] to take the curl out of her hair is called a straight jacket."



I don't use a gel myself. I have been using just my conditioner as a leave in for the last 4 months and sometimes I use a little bit of Shea Butter as a Pomade.
Brio, I went back and listen too and she said that "you have to look for a gel that's not sticky and doesn't have plastic resins in it". So, I don't know if I agree with you...
Originally Posted by nelly
Well, I suppose I am thinking too mathematically here, but when I see "and" I think both conditions must apply.
  • So, I suppose you can use a sticky gel as long as it doesn't contain plastic resins.

    Or, you if have a gel with plastic resins, it needs to be NOT sticky.

Yes, I am mincing words here and being silly. I guess my whole point here in this word game (which I am sure is logically unsound) is to look at the broader picture. The whole point behind the gel discussion in that short TV segment was to remind us that it is gel that is normally in our hair the longest, so we need to be careful what we put in our hair for this extended time.

To say "don't use a gel with plastic resin" is ludicrous. Even her gel has PVP and while I don't think she's a chemist, I don't think she is stupid, either. What exactly did she mean? I'm not sure. It was a short TV segment, she was being moved along quickly, and she appeared nervous to me. However, I cannot believe that she really meant to tell all of us curlies to not use gels with plastic resins. Maybe I am over-rationalizing here so that it will make sense to me.

I think with CG, we need to follow the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law. To me, the "spirit" of CG is to treat your hair gently and learn to accept your curls. I think it's when we begin to make hard, inflexbile rules that we get into problems.

I haven't read every article or transcript or interview about/by LM. I've never spoken to her in person. I am mostly going by her book. In her book, p. 48, she states, "The information that follows [regarding hair products] is meant to help guide you through the product jungle, but ultimately you're the only one who can decide what keeps your curls happy and well nourished." (emphasis added.)

I think her explanation of why she put the a-cone in her conditioner is a very plausible one, i.e. she has done more research and come to a different conclusion on that particular cone. Her book, to me, does not portray her as an "anti-cone" zealot. She states on p. 49, "I suggest that you avoid conditioners with silicones. Although they do add temporary shine to the hair, I find they weigh down curly hair." (emphasis added.) That is advice -- not a do-or-die mandate. It also does not state that silcones will "kill" your hair.

Maybe she does contradict herself in the book. I haven't gone back and re-read it all. I just remember those parts because they stuck in my head.

I guess I am coming off here as very pro-LM, and maybe I am. However, she's never cut my hair. I've never met her. While I have tried her products, I think they are too expensive for me to use with regularity. I also find that her conditioner builds up on my hair after a while, and the no-poo is not strong enough to get the buildup out.

She also states in her book we only need two products: a conditioner & a gel, but she has also gotten into the product hype of using numerous products.

It seems I recall some of the folks that met her in Texas said she commented that even a shampoo every 4 weeks at the salon when you got your hair colored was too much and destroyed all the good that had been done over the 4 weeks prior. Personally, if she said that, I think that is a bit over-kill.

I guess this long post just boils down to what I said before: It's just advice. Take it or leave it. She's not perfect. She's not infallible.

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