Kinky Curly Custard questions

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I had a chance to sample some of this at Whole Foods, and went ahead and did so as my hair was still damp(and had some LALSG in it(my current gel). Wow - what curl enhancement! Now, the questions are, since this stuff is more expensive than what I usually buy:

- Is this a replacement for gel?
- Is it strictly a curl enhancer, not a styler, like a gel?
- Does one use it UNDER gel, or all by itself(my hair is thick and needs a lot of hold)?
- Finally, is it the same sort of product as the much-cheaper EcoStyler at Sally Beauty Supply that a number of people rave about here?

I do have mixed texture, 2c-3a that is fine-ish to medium in texture and a lot of it, so I need really good hold. Fancy curl creams don't do it for me, like at the salon. They'll look nice for exactly an hour(or less)and then the hold disappears altogether. Currently, and for years, I've been using LA Looks gels, first starting with the old light green Mega gel, then the Curl Look one(I'm still bemoaning the discontinuing of this)and currently the Sports version. Hold is excellent, curl good, but I was truly amazed at the increase in CURL formation from even putting a little bit of the KCC in informally at the store.
I did a YouTube search for KCC, and most of what I came up with were African American women using it - is it still OK for Caucasian curly hair? I would think so.
I'd love to know a little more before popping for even the small jar of the KCC, which costs $18 at Whole Foods. But I do like the fact that it's more natural too.
Thanks anyone for any thoughts!
I call KCCC a jelly product--gelatinous consistency without the chemicals of gels. My hair doesn't like the chemicals, so I use jelly products and no gel. I use a li and/or curl enhancer depending on the dew point. Others need strong hold gel with it. As with everything else--it all depends on what your hair likes.
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When I use KCCC, I use it as I would use a gel - over a leave-in, often with another curl enhancer mixed in. I find that the hold is not great, though, so I almost always top off with a teeny bit of BRHG. Hope that helps.


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Thanks kathymack! Just a FEW more questions:

- How do you determine dew points, and do I really have to do this since I live in San Francisco? I've seen stuff on the boards about dew points and I'm totally confused. Is it the same as humidity? Not sure!
- Isn't it just enough to know that one either lives in a more humid climate or not? I've lived in very humid, somewhat moist like here in SF, and the arid southwest. It took a long time for my hair to adjust to arid climate, but the minute I moved away, it just loved returning to more moisture in the air here in SF and is a good bit curlier here than it ever was in New Mexico, esp. with the hard water there. My hair LOVES humidity and curls up the more humid it is. I don't try to stop it either - been there done that many years ago before finding good cutters for curly hair.
- Do you use a SEPARATE curl-enhancer, or do you consider the KCC to be your curl enhancer - your answer was not quite clear here. So you use jellies as your stylers, or curl enhancers? Still not sure here.

I tend not to layer products, for two reasons, expense, and laziness. I prefer to just scrunch in just one into wet hair, scrunching in further with a microfiber towel, and then let it air dry. I never heat treat, as I do color my hair.
Last but not least, the KCC would be a BIG splurge for me, as I'm either drugstore, or Sally's level for prices. I'm sure the products you use are lovely, but I have a feeling they are out of my price range. With a little more clarity, and hopefully some other people will chime in here, it will help me decide if it's really worth it for me. However, I do tend to spend far more for my hair cuts than products LOL!

@Rustina - Thanks for your input too! I never use leave-ins - they make my hair limp, and I'm kind of leery of layering products. I've tried a couple of times and my hair usually ended up gunky and dull - ugh! Then I had to wash the stuff out right away.

One other note, since my hair is very thick, even though it's only in an inverted bob, I have to apply lots of product to get it through my hair. A nickel-sized blob of anything basically takes care of one little section of my hair. For instance, I use TABLESPOONS full of conditioner, and my gel, hence the having to go on the cheap side with products. I'd go through a $20-tube of something in short order LOL!

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I've used KCCC in the past, and while I like it, you're right. It's so friggin expensive. I used it as my primary styler gel over a leave in, since I felt it had a decent hold (I always had crunchies to scrunch out). However, it's been a few months since I've used it and my definition of "hard-hold" continues to change as I try new products.

I think most people who use it use it for a curl enhancement. You really only need a tiny amount so it's a product that stretches out...
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I am not white, which I think is what you meant by Caucasian, but I do have curly hair that is thick and loves humidity. I love KKC. I use it as a gel over leave-in conditioner. I live in the desert so I don't use a lot. However I use a lot more when I visit my family who lives in a very humid climate.

I find that the $18 jar lasts me at least 6 months. I also like that I get adequate hold without buildup or crunchiness. My hair has been between chin length and shoulder length since I've used KKC. Obviously I'm a fan.
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Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
There's a lot of information on dew points both on nc.com and the internet. It's a more reliable indicator of the moisture in the air than relative humidity. In my area (Phila), the news stations have switched to using dew point when reporting the weather. Yesterday morning, the dew point was 75--which is considered tropical. In the winter, we can have dew points in the negative numbers. So, it's not enough to know "where you live." It all depends. San Francisco may be more consistent in it's dew points, but I'm sure there are fluctuations.

Since coming on nc.com and learning how to take care of my hair (using products and good technique), my curl pattern has become tighter and strengthened. Luckily, I don't need the hard hold that the chemicals in gels provide. Jelly products are really moisturizing, so are curl enhancing for most people. When the dew points are low, I use a leave in AND curl enhancer with a jelly product. When the dew points are high, I use a leave in OR curl enhancer with a jelly product.

With many of the more expensive products a little goes a long way, so they end up being at least as cost effective as the less expensive products. In the long run, you need to do what works for both your hair and your pocket.
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I use the kccc strictly as a curl enhancer, under my hard hold gels. I have 3a/b hair, fine but lots of it, to the middle of my back. I use about a quarter sized amount on my hair of the kccc, and about 3 tablespoons of gel
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co wash V05 moisture milks strawberry
RO tresseme naturals, suave coconut
leave in kckt
seal with ky
kccc as an activator
lalsg & bhrg
Thanks everybody for the input! I'll have to think this over. But it DOES sound reassuring that one only needs a LITTLE bit of the KCC, and with that, it would be OK under a gel. Maybe I'll pop for the small jar - again, this would be a huge treat hairwise!
Unlike many people with curly hair, I'm trying to INCREASE curl, not stretch it out.
One more question:

Is the EcoStyler at Sally Beauty Supply the same type of product as the KCC, as in it being a jelly-type of curl enhancer?
I've never used ecostyler as I like more natural products. I also have hair that tends to not like drugstore products. The 4a and possibly the 3c boards would be able to give you input, as ecostyler is well-liked by many posters. From what I have read, ecostyler is a cheaper, less natural version of KKC so it would be worth a try. It's only about $4.
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HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
Thanks multicultcurly for the heads-up about the EcoStyler. Actually, I'm 2c-3a, hence the wanting to increase curl formation. I'd love to use good all-natural products, but many, save for a few raw ingredients like coconut oil, etc., are out of my budget. Baking soda and ACV were disasters for my color-treated hair
I've tried a couple of Ecostyler varieties, and they are definitely NOT like KCCC. Both Ecostylers that I've tried (clear and pink) were very thick and very sticky and gummy in consistency. I found them hard to distribute and had trouble with individual hairs sticking to my hands (and thus being pulled out of their clumps), so I stopped using them. YMMV.


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I've tried a couple of Ecostyler varieties, and they are definitely NOT like KCCC. Both Ecostylers that I've tried (clear and pink) were very thick and very sticky and gummy in consistency. I found them hard to distribute and had trouble with individual hairs sticking to my hands (and thus being pulled out of their clumps), so I stopped using them. YMMV.


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Originally Posted by Rustina
+1. Only good thing I can say about Ecostyler is that it was so cheap that I didn't mind throwing it away after one use.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
OMG Ecostyler is SO NOT like KKC. Doesn't come close to the hold. I liked KKC enough, but never got the hang of it to make it my HG. I like gels with strong hold like Biosilk Hard Rock Gelee and Albas strong hold gel (which is all natural and only about $6 a pop )
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Loves me some VOLUME So no clumps here, Thanks!
I've tried a couple of Ecostyler varieties, and they are definitely NOT like KCCC. Both Ecostylers that I've tried (clear and pink) were very thick and very sticky and gummy in consistency. I found them hard to distribute and had trouble with individual hairs sticking to my hands (and thus being pulled out of their clumps), so I stopped using them. YMMV.


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Originally Posted by Rustina
+1. Only good thing I can say about Ecostyler is that it was so cheap that I didn't mind throwing it away after one use.
Originally Posted by kathymack

I agree with both Rustina and KathyMack regarding Ecostyler. I have used both Ecosytler and KCCC, and I definitely prefer KCCC. I have tried a lot of different types of "curl enhancer" products, and I think KCCC beats them all by a LOOOOONG shot. KCCC is very unique, its a one of a kind product, IMHO. Worth the price.
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Styling Combos: SS CEJ add SS FHG, KCKT and KCCC
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Thanks for the heads-up about the Eco-Styler - I WILL be staying away from that for sure after hearing this. KCC it will be for my treat!
Late to the party but agree about the difference between ecostyler and KCCC. KCCC encourages curl whereas eco seemed to encourage more clump. Eco also has a heavy dose of protein. Both had their upsides and if you get it at Sally's, eco is cheap enough to be well worth a shot, but KCCC is more awesome (and smells better).
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EcoStyler is a gel. They're not at all the same, IMO. When I first started out, I used KCCC as a curl enhancer with a bit of BRHG for additional hold. Never used up the large 16 oz jar before I switched over to other products.

Now I'm using it again, but differently. I usually use CJCCC lite first, top with a little HESMU, LALSG, or rarely BRHG, diffuse a little then lightly dip my 3 middle fingers in KCCC and scrunch it in for curl enhancement a la the Smasters method. I've been using the same 8 oz. (? - smaller, anyway) jar from Target for at least 6 months that way and have only used maybe a third of the jar.

However I use it, if I don't let my hair get absolutely dry first, it's very difficult to scrunch it out.

Love the scent, and it keeps my hair smelling nice for days and days.
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Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated, GTTT or Aim2Health 'poos as scalp needs, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein Trtmt & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, AO Mandarin Magic, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

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I promise - just ONE more question LOL!

- does one apply the KCC before gel, or after?

It seems like it would make more sense before, but the person who posted above me says she does it after, as far as I could understand.
Thanks!
I use the KCCC under a hard holding gel - BRHG. It only takes a little bit so it will last you a long time. I use to not like the layering of products like you but mine was out of laziness. Now I layer and I have never had better results. Li with KCCC or another jelly with BRHG on top. It's truly amazing how the layering works and I don't have products like if I would of used a lot of one product. My stylist always tries to put a ton of devacurl angel in and it always feels gross
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Conditioner: Deva One, GVP Conditioning Balm, TJ Nourish, Kenra & TJ Tea Tree Tingle
LIs: Curl Friends Replenish, KCKT, Satin Roots
Stylers: AG:Recoil, Angell, Devacurl Set It Free, KCCC, JC CIAB, JC Pattern Pusha, BRHG
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