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Old 02-02-2007, 05:11 AM   #1
 
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Default Did anyone ever ask Ouidad

how she felt about the no poo philosophy and Devachan? Just curious.
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:45 AM   #2
 
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According to the article in the NY Times in '04, she said that you have to shampoo your hair. If you don't wash the excretion sebum of the pores of the scalp, you are causing the bulb of the hair to dehydrate - that you are suffocating it.
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Old 02-02-2007, 03:00 PM   #3
 
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Im not sure if it correlates or not - but i lost a lot of hair aroudn the same time i started the no poo thing..i think its unrelated though. Either way Ive been back to shampooing all the time..hell it worked great for my hair for 20 years or so.
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Old 02-02-2007, 04:05 PM   #4
 
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According to the article in the NY Times in '04, she said that you have to shampoo your hair. If you don't wash the excretion sebum of the pores of the scalp, you are causing the bulb of the hair to dehydrate - that you are suffocating it.
That's interesting. I'm a no-pooer but I still cleanse, just not with sulfates. I think of it the same way as how I cleanse my face - I use EVOO and cold cream and my pores are still clean, I just don't use detergents...
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Old 02-02-2007, 04:49 PM   #5
 
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I lost a lot of hair when I first went CG too. I'm hoping it's the summer shedding. I've lost like that twice now, once a long time back and this time when I went CG. My hair thinned so much you could see my scalp when my curls clumped. I have baby hairs coming back in now I noticed.
I guess Ouidad is right about one thing, if you don't scrub and cleanse the scalp somehow it will smother and clog.
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Old 02-02-2007, 04:56 PM   #6
 
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But I haven't used shampoo in about 4 years without any adverse affects. It got rid of mydandruff actually.
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I'd also like to note that when we were at the NYC Phyto-Universe gathering and the technician used that microscope thing on selfcurledgirl and another CGer their scalps looked great and there was no clogging or other bad stuff going on down at the roots. Even the Phyto guy, who was skeptical about the whole no-poo thing, was amazed.
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Huh, because I've always found I shed LESS hair when I'm no-poo. Whenever I shampoo w/ sulfates I have handfuls of hair that come out.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:09 PM   #9
 
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I'd also like to note that when we were at the NYC Phyto-Universe gathering and the technician used that microscope thing on selfcurledgirl and another CGer their scalps looked great and there was no clogging or other bad stuff going on down at the roots. Even the Phyto guy, who was skeptical about the whole no-poo thing, was amazed.
YUP! Was just coming here to post about that when I saw your post. The Phyto guy was funny as he kept hunting on my scalp for what he was so sure had to be there since I don't use shampoo, much less TWICE!! Our expressions must have been something when he told us how important it was to shampoo twice.

BROWN SUGAR SCRUB!!!!

My clean scalp HG! It's so easy and feels SOOOOOO good. I've also done it with turbinado sugar (the "raw" sugar in the brown packets) for even more exfoliation. I really look forward to my brown sugar scrubs since my scalp feels so good afterwards.
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Old 02-02-2007, 11:20 PM   #10
 
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Huh, because I've always found I shed LESS hair when I'm no-poo. Whenever I shampoo w/ sulfates I have handfuls of hair that come out.
Me too, used to lose hairs by the handful, now just a few.
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YUP! Was just coming here to post about that when I saw your post. The Phyto guy was funny as he kept hunting on my scalp for what he was so sure had to be there since I don't use shampoo, much less TWICE!! Our expressions must have been something when he told us how important it was to shampoo twice.

BROWN SUGAR SCRUB!!!!

My clean scalp HG! It's so easy and feels SOOOOOO good. I've also done it with turbinado sugar (the "raw" sugar in the brown packets) for even more exfoliation. I really look forward to my brown sugar scrubs since my scalp feels so good afterwards.
just wondering how you do a brown sugar scrub?? u made me want to try it oh and how often do you do it?
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:52 PM   #12
 
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I do it once every week or two. I put a couple of tablespoons of brown sugar in a small container and add just enough of my co-wash (Suave aloe) to make a paste and scrub my scalp with it. I do this first, then co-wash, then condition/detangle. Totally cures the Winter itchies.

It was cool seeing my scalp so magnified at Phyto Universe after I'd done a sugar scrub. Not a single flake.
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:35 PM   #13
 
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a hair stylist told my daughter if she didn't shampoo, it would mess up the pH balance of her scalp.
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:37 PM   #14
 
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how she felt about the no poo philosophy and Devachan? Just curious.
It seems like in Quidad's book, she says you need to decrease your shampooing, but that you do need to shampoo occasionally. I think she said about 1 x week. I may not be remembering correctly, and I don't recall where I stuck that book.
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But I haven't used shampoo in about 4 years without any adverse affects. It got rid of mydandruff actually.
Yup, me too! I tried going back to my pre-CG routine because I was frustrated by my hair's change in texture and immediately my itching and flaky scalp came back, so I stopped with the poo and sure enough it went away. I am resigning myself to less curly hair, but a very healthy scalp!

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Old 12-11-2007, 06:01 PM   #16
 
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Just came across this thread and wanted to add that the thought has always occured to me that there's no way unnatural products are what our hair "needs."

Humans have only been using hair products for a ridiculously short time compared to the span of evolution and clearly we haven't ALWAYS had cruddy hair until the invention of sulfates. People used to take baths once a week/month/year and we didn't all have our hair fall out from it. Ok, so it was hygenically gross, but still--it doesn't make sense to say that any type of hair "needs" anything in particular, since there have quite obviously been people with beautiful hair before those things existed. The natural state of hair is not a lack of health, it's health. It gets unhealthy from the way we treat it.

I explained to my mom once a few months ago about how I don't use shampoo anymore and she told me that when she grew up in her village in India no one had shampoo. They just scrubbed with the natural things from plants and seeds they made into "shampoo" and used that with some coconut oil. They all had great hair, I've seen photographs.

Seriously, I don't know where some of these "experts" get off tooting their own horns about hair "needing" this or that to be healthy. It's just not possible that until the invention of their new and glorious product everyone had terrible, unhealthy hair.
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Seriously, I don't know where some of these "experts" get off tooting their own horns about hair "needing" this or that to be healthy. It's just not possible that until the invention of their new and glorious product everyone had terrible, unhealthy hair.
Amen, sister

It's motion that truly cleans our scalp and hair, not products (or shampoo, as Ouidad insists). It's really important to use a very firm, "scalp massage" kind of action when we cleanse our scalp ... that's the main thing that keeps our sebaceous (oil) glands healthy and what removes dirt and debris from our scalp. Not product.

The product we choose should just be something that will help to add moisture to our hair during the cleansing process, not detract from it like shampoo does. And there is no one-size-fits-all product solution for any curly girl, no matter what the "experts" say.
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How do you do a brown sugar wash? My daughter's scalp is very flaky and I was looking for some way to Head and Shoulders.
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I got it-just had to keep reading. Sorry-I'm new
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