Another Curls Reformulation

certain ingredients are deal breakers, others are not. in boots curl cream, the pink version changed slightly but not significantly. the white stuff that i sell is the original british formula without cones. however, they made a version to sell in the US at target and cvs in selected markets that had cones in it. for many of us, cones, waxes and petroleum would turn us off to a product. i wish they would GET IT. i would like to hear from curls why they chose to reformulate and people can let her know what they think--Mahisha has always been responsive to her customers.
Susan suburban NY
3b going gray, not thick, waist length when wet, a bit below shoulders when dry
CG since 11/11/04
http://public.fotki.com/banjolady/
PW: banjo
HG: suave and honey for co-wash, deva, i use garnier fructis regular CO's or boots pink or white as leave ins and LA looks sport gel. plop w microfiber turban, then curl towel scrunch, then another turban.i sleep with the turban on. little one minute hair styling videos http://www.youtube.com/user/lazycurls
Castella, here's all the info regarding Curls Asian Hair Tea Conditioner. I had been away from the boards for a period of time, due to a foot injury, late last year, so I wasn't really spending hardly if any time on the Internet. Most of the time I would only go on the Internet to check my messages, that was all. But here is a quick summary of what happened with Curls Asian Hair Tea conditioner. This is all info that came strictly from the owner, Mahisha. Curls went back to the original formula last year, late summer. They went back to the "original formulation" because it was easier to distribute. Once Mahisha had received countless emails requesting for her to do so, she decided to bring it back. That was a while ago. Curls did have some of the old left, but those are already gone. So yes, this Curls Asian Hair Tea formula that is out on the market now is one that I have used in my head before. And as I have written many times before my hair is very fussy when it comes to using most products that have cones in them, but I have had no problems with any of the Curls formulations that have cones in them. I also have had no problems using Garnier Fructis products and they also have cones in them as well. And also I just starte using another product that has a cone in it called BB(Bonner Brothers) Growth Lotion, either. And yes I have used Curls Cleansing Cream to wash my hair out with at times while using the Curls products as well as Nioxin's Scalp Therapy Shampoo too. And either way I had no problems rinsing any of these products from my hair, including Curls.

Also, here's another note- Curls products are registered with the FDA's International Export Dept. which is mandatory for exporting. Since Curls is entering more countries this year, Curls needed to get their products into the directory. So when they updated packaging to the new look, they added the true technical terms to the new packaging. You will notice that. It is listed under their news section.

And if anyone has any further questions, they can always contact Curls for a reply or even if they would like to know more about current happenings with Curls they can always go the Curls website.

What truly saddens me about this whole issue is how some NC members have actually taken it upon themselves to make public statements to try and defame one comapny that could actually hurt this whole site in the long run legally, if they don't stop. My uncle is a lawyer, so I definitely know of what I speak. And the moderators themselves need to look into this present situation and end it for the better good of this site and its members. If you can not back up what you say 100 percent factually with me regarding negative comments on this board or ever else pertaining to the owner of Curls or anyother line, OR if you are not even a purchaser of a particular line of products and go out of your way to speak negatively about them, then what good is it providing for any anyone here or anywhere else for that matter.

Everything that I have written about Curls, its products, or its testing team, I can back up 100 percent, to the members, the moderators, or anybody else here, as a matter of fact. As honesty and integrity does and always will continue to mean a lot to me.
"Curls Tester"
Products in my current regime: Nioxin Scalp Therapy Shampoo, ORS Replenishing Pak, Curls Whipped Cream, Curls Souffle, Curls Spiral Curls Cream, Curls Milkshake, Curls Quenched, BB(Bonner Brothers) Growth Lotion
I don't appreciate threats to anyone on the board. No one is trying to hurt anyone. But thanks for the sensorship, all us Americans that think we live in the land of free speech appreciate it.
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Wow. I definitely don't see any defaming going on. I see consumers who are unhappy about some of their favorite products being changed. It happens here all the time. A smart company will want to know when their consumers are unhappy so that they can improve their product line. SYB, I'm not sure why you went back and added that part on to your post, but it doesn't seem necessary at all. I was all ears and understanding until then.
3a/2c f/mii. pics added 2/3/07
So they changed the conditioner too... Well, I can't use it for the soy anyways.


I find it weird how there has been so much odd stuff about this company on the board. Some testers seem to take any bad stuff very peronal to me. Gives the company bad PR in my eyes.
There is always good and bad stuff about all products. They do not fit all. That's just the way it is. I can't imagine that people just imagine things up about bad experiences and post them here. And there are people who have bad luck with other companies , write about it here and no other testers "attack" those people.
I don't get it. Something is fishy to me with it all. I have felt that way a very long time.

I find it weird how there has been so much odd stuff about this company on the board. Some testers seem to take any bad stuff very peronal to me. Gives the company bad PR in my eyes.
There is always good and bad stuff about all products. They do not fit all. That's just the way it is. I can't imagine that people just imagine things up about bad experiences and post them here. And there are people who have bad luck with other companies , write about it here and no other testers "attack" those people.
I don't get it. Something is fishy to me with it all. I have felt that way a very long time.
Originally Posted by Kurlee


ITA!!!
I agree Kurlee
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
I'm a personally very sorry that the topic of any negative against this one company gets esculated so easily so that many don't feel comfortable posting what they would, were it any other company.


Oh dear. I might have been misunderstood.

Syb, I didn't mean to put you on the spot at all. Honestly, I thought that this was a new formulation, and you could tell us what you think about it. I remember you did some excellent reviews of the Milkshake. That is really all I meant. And not just Curls products, I enjoy reading all the reviews you've posted and I think you are very fair when you assess a product. Anyway, I wasn't trying to being snarky and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

Every time an HG is lost, we go through this process of shock, denial, anger, bargaining (please! take out the cones!) and finally acceptance. Well, we never reeeeeally accept the loss of a good product. The positive thing that I take from this thread is that Curls created such a great product that so many people feel passionately about!
formerly Castella
(my dogs aren't snarly, my hair is)

What truly saddens me about this whole issue is how some NC members have actually taken it upon themselves to make public statements to try and defame one comapny that could actually hurt this whole site in the long run legally, if they don't stop. My uncle is a lawyer, so I definitely know of what I speak. And the moderators themselves need to look into this present situation and end it for the better good of this site and its members.
Originally Posted by SYB
Actually, we're in pretty good shape as far as legal representation goes, so while I'm sure your advice is well-meant, it's unwarranted, and just makes posters uncomfortable, so I'll ask you to cease.

As the owner of this board, I'm quite fine with posters commenting about companies and products; that's actually one of the primary functions of the board. So again, while I'm sure your intentions are good, please allow us to moderate our own board.
Gretchen
NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
3A

You are beautiful!
Wow. I definitely don't see any defaming going on. I see consumers who are unhappy about some of their favorite products being changed. It happens here all the time. A smart company will want to know when their consumers are unhappy so that they can improve their product line. SYB, I'm not sure why you went back and added that part on to your post, but it doesn't seem necessary at all. I was all ears and understanding until then.
Originally Posted by lushaholic
I was all ears until that last part of SYB's post too. Completely unnecessary and insulting. People criticize Deva products all the time for having cones in them when Lorraine was originally against cones, yet I don't see anyone threatening legal action. This is a discussion forum, so we discuss. None of us are going off this board and making any announcements to try to "defame" the Curls business.
*Poster formerly known as Bailey422*

Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
Kurlee, you're right. There IS something weird that happens when the Curls line is discussed. It seems to generate instant drama. I remember how out of hand the whole nanny-gate thing was. I'm pretty neutral on the products & the company, but I think some perspective is warranted, ie, I just don't think NC.com'ers are a very large segment of the Curls customer base, esp since they stopped selling their products at The Mart. So I would assume it's likely they just don't care that much about whether CG'ers like their reformulations or not; I mean, it wouldn't make sense business-wise. So that means, the only folks really worked up about anything Curls-related are a small segment here on the board.

Let's all take a breath & remember not to take things personally. I mean, it's hair, people. (Curly, awesome hair....but i]hair[/i].) We don't need to defend our favorite products to the death. I know some folks don't like my beloved GF Leave-In. Now, just because they're crazy, & can't appreciate the best product ever in the universe, doesn't mean I take it personally. :P We all need to feel free to *****, moan, talk smack, & praise to high heaven any & every product. It's why we all love this place.
3B, bra-strap length
laidback, very-modified CGer
HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
My apologies if anyone thinks I was trying to push people away from Curls. My main reason for posting was to let people know about the new formula, not cause problems. I used the word 'fiasco' because, as one poster correctly put it I ordered after checking the curls website. On a different topic, a poster had pointed out her email from Mahisha said the website was the definitive on ingredients. I think before a change for formula goes into production, the company (generic use for the wor company, not specifically Curls) knows they are going to change things, so a 'heads up' before, especially for internet shoppers, that a change will take place on X date, would be a good thing I think.

Sorry if I caused anyone annoyance!
Think I'm 3b-ish...maybe some 3a there too...plus wavy roots....I'm just a mixed bag! CG since August '05
I, being a tester of Curls am a member of NC will no longer post anything about Curls based on these damaging remarks:

1.Because of remarks about one or more of Curls tester's possibly tipping off the owner of Curls regarding the FOUNDATIONZ incident which none of us testers actually knew of the FOUNDATIONZ site(and the drama that was insinuated about it) to even begin with, until after reading this here on NC.

2. Because of postings that it was NC that stopped the sale of Curls products here, when the owners of NC have never posted this actual information here saying that they were the ones that stopped the sale of Curls products here in CurlMart, in the abrupt way that it was handled. As I never would post that type of misleading information. As the only people that can say they were actually involved in that were Curls owner Mahisha and the owners of NC, honestly.

I am presently disparaged by these remarks, and I have decided that I will continue be an active member championing for naturals and curly-haired women all over the world for acceptance and guidance in maintainig their hair, but I will no longer do it at NC, by contiuing to post here, whether it pertains to Curls or any other topic. Honesty and integrity goes a long way with me, and I will not let it be compromised in any way. So the moderators here can terminate my membership here effective immediately, as this will be my last form of communication with NC. As this was a decision that I came to after much personal thought.

Goodbye! And I do wish to thank all of you ladies here that showed me love, nothing but the best, now and in the future.

[Edited by mod to remove names of specific posters.]
"Curls Tester"
Products in my current regime: Nioxin Scalp Therapy Shampoo, ORS Replenishing Pak, Curls Whipped Cream, Curls Souffle, Curls Spiral Curls Cream, Curls Milkshake, Curls Quenched, BB(Bonner Brothers) Growth Lotion
*Poster formerly known as Bailey422*

Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid. ~ George Carlin
SYB, I am sorry to see you go. You have shared valuable information many times.

I do not know the names of the two testers who share information with Curls. I understand that it's not you, but since the names weren't shared with me, I haven't been able to share more.

I never meant to suggest who instigated the choice for Curls products not to be carried by CurlMart anymore. I know CurlMart doesn't carry them anymore, but which came first, the chicken or the egg, I was not privy to (nor should have been).

I understand that you feel you must leave, and that is certainly your right. I wish you the best, and should you return to read this, please know that I never intended any personal negatives toward you or anyone else. I hope your foot injury continues to heal and good health follows you in the future.
This is just weird. I am not surpriced by it though.
Alrighty, then.

So about that Asian Tea reformulation: which cone is in it now....? Because the slip it was lacking for me before, may not be a problem now. Then again, now that laurabeth rekindled my love for UG Curl & Twirl & gave us so many great new options, I think there are things I'd rather try with a better price point.
3B, bra-strap length
laidback, very-modified CGer
HG: GF Sleek 'n Shine Leave-in; Alagio
A cone, which I know you're fine with CC and the D cone

For the price though I'll use S&S and B2B, activate, Lacoupe etc
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!

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