Over conditioned, under conditioned...what??!

Hi everyone

I'm a long-time lurker.

I have 2a/2b hair. I have good days and bad days with it. I had my hair cut about 2 weeks ago by someone who was supposed to specialise in cutting curly hair..I was not impressed with the cut and it's been very difficult to manage since.

Anyway, I was CG for about a month prior to my haircut which was going well, but the stylist used something with dimethicone in so I had to start again. Since then I can't work out if it's over conditioned or what, so I've been using sulfate-free shampoo once or twice a week as well as conditioner.

The problem is that my waves have gone limp. I feel like the curls have no definition anymore. My hair feels soft-ish but very dry at the ends. I feel like the stylist cut the S shapes in the wrong place and now my ends are sort of straight. It's kind of fluffy yet dry. It looks very curly when wet but dries dull and lank (see attached photo).

What should I do? Should I go back to co-washing, with no shampoo whatsoever? Do I need more/less protein (my cond. contains protein and the body shop curl creme I use does, too)?

Also, I condition and apply product upside down but whenever I flip my hair back the right way up it gets very tangled at the back and won't lie flat, even though it wasn't tangled when I was upside down!! Does anyone know a way of getting round this? Or do I just leave it to dry tangled?

Sorry about the outburst... it's been a while coming... LOL.
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Sounds like you're over conditioned. My first suggestion would be a PT. Protein in products might not be enough for you, especially in the higher dewpoints.

You don't say your hair properties. Here's a link to help you with yours Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics Once you determine your hair properties look for people with hair like yours and see what they use (in signature.) It's the best place to start.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks,I'll try a PT. Do you think yogurt or mayo would be okay? I'm pretty strapped for cash.

And...if I'm over conditioned then how should I cleanse my hair? I would avoid conditioner completely but my hair gets way too tangled without it
Lepus, I don't think mayo has protein in it. I don't know whether yogurt would work. Hoping some other curlies will chime in here with suggestions for cheapo protein fixes. The problem seems to be that ordinary protein doesn't penetrate - but I'm out of my element here.

Maybe do a search for natural protein treatments? I agree with kathymack that it sounds like that is what you need. I think you will still need to use conditioner afterward, but use much less.

Keep us posted - maybe we can offer more suggestions. It sounds very fixable - good luck!
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
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There's a PT named after it's poster--cherryloa. It has yogurt and amino acids. Couldn't stand my hair smelling like sour milk and teriyaki marinade when I was done. Here's a homemade one that others like PT recipe - as promised I prefer the commercial ones.

I use natural soap bars to cleanse. They were really popular around here 4 years ago when I started. Cowashing wasn't great for me.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I just did a stretch test and I think it needs protein. There was no breakage and it seemed to stay stretched out, though it may be just that I pulled out the wave...

I sprayed my hair with some mag sulfate I got today and scrunched in a ton of gel. I usually use only the tiniest amount so thought it was worth a try. My hair looks a LOT better though it feels sort of sticky. Probably a mix of using too much gel and applying it when it wasn't wet enough.

I'm going to try a mix of mayo/yogurt on it tomorrow, see what that does. It's the eternal question: what does hair want???!!
Oh, and I have fine hair which I'm pretty sure is high porosity - the strands generally feel rough and if I sit in the sun my hair turns blonde within hours. Which adds up to why I'm probably OC'd...
Oh, and I have fine hair which I'm pretty sure is high porosity - the strands generally feel rough and if I sit in the sun my hair turns blonde within hours. Which adds up to why I'm probably OC'd...
Originally Posted by Lepus
All that describes is highly porous, doesn't have any thing to do with OC.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I mixed up some mayonnaise, apricot yogurt (!) and honey. I slathered it on wet hair, retching from the smell, and let it sit for about 30 mins. It took 2 low-shampoos to get the smell to go but it has improved my hair a great deal. I don't think I'll ever eat mayonnaise again.

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