Omg the tangles!

Like Tree4Likes

CCCC lite has a water-soluble silicone, so it definitely won't build up.

I use all of them, too! I'm sure they'll all be nice for your hair for different needs. You won't always need thick, oily moisturizer, but you'll always need something for moisture, tangles and frizz, and everything you bought should work really well for those. They may even be more moisturizing for you than me...I do live in a desert, so my hair could use a little humidity.

I love the SheaMoisture stuff as well (the Smoothie is better than the Milk, for me). The GVP Conditioning Balm is the "generic" version of Biolage, and I think the ingredients are similar enough that nobody would need both products.

One of these days you'll have to try One & Only Argan Oil Mask. I still cannot get over how soft it makes my hair.
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
I was going to wait to introduce the shea moisture like with the silk protein.
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So panthenol, bran oil, silk amino acids, polyquats, and PEGs don't bother you?

I'm a little worried about all that - isn't bran wheat? And panthenol and silk a.a. protein? Isn't the polyquat and PEG what KAM was talking about messing up her hair?

CCCC lite has a water-soluble silicone, so it definitely won't build up.

I use all of them, too! I'm sure they'll all be nice for your hair for different needs. You won't always need thick, oily moisturizer, but you'll always need something for moisture, tangles and frizz, and everything you bought should work really well for those. They may even be more moisturizing for you than me...I do live in a desert, so my hair could use a little humidity.

I love the SheaMoisture stuff as well (the Smoothie is better than the Milk, for me). The GVP Conditioning Balm is the "generic" version of Biolage, and I think the ingredients are similar enough that nobody would need both products.

One of these days you'll have to try One & Only Argan Oil Mask. I still cannot get over how soft it makes my hair.
Originally Posted by gardencurls
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Geez...I am probably a bad person to help you here. Kathymack is one of my favorite gurus - and she truly knows what she's talking about! I have the same problems as you, with dryness and tangles, and I'm working at the same time as you to solve them. I think products have to have something in them to keep the hair "intact", otherwise hair would start to disintegrate like material that has been through the wash too many times. So it's trial and error when it comes to deciding what works best, most of the time.

What I've Observed in About Two Years of Being a Self-Imposed Lab Rat:

I don't know very much about ingredients, either. I believe panthenol is a B vitamin that adds moisture. I haven't found any of my hair problems that I can trace specifically to panthenol...yet, but I'm in the same process of trial and error.

I know bran can be from any grain...rice bran, oat bran, corn bran, etc. (That's the extent of my knowledge...)

My hair cannot seem to stand gels or styling "glazes".

I think polyquats neutralize the negative charge of cleansers. (?) At this point, I don't know enough about how each specific polymer functions in its formulation to be able to tell if they all affect my hair. So far, though, I suspect Polyquat-10 sort of "flattens" my hair, and I avoid it. I think Polyquat-44 works for me...But I'm basing this on the ingredients in the products I use that either work well or not. I think ingredients can react differently depending upon their delivery and function in their specific formulations.

I don't think silk amino acids bother my hair, because they may enhance moisture-binding capacity. But I may change my mind as I'm able to further narrow down what my hair likes.

I try to avoid any silicones in multiple products, and I try not to use them repeatedly without a coco-betaine cleanse. Strangely, I don't notice a problem with amodimethicone build-up in cleansers. Usually when I use silicone serums (i.e. moroccan oil, etc.) and conditioners my hair reacts badly within hours. It clumps up, tangles, and feels waxy - no matter how small of an amount I apply. Maybe it's because of multiple silicones in the formulas.

I don't use any product every day, and there are some days I refresh with water only if needed, so there's less of a chance of build-up. My hair doesn't like a whole lot of glycerin (but even this is all right if the product is moisturizing enough). I can tell when I've used too much too often, because my hair gets completely unmanageable.

One protein product I used that I thought was going to make my hair crack like broken glass was Ion Effective Care Treatment, which contains a lot of vegetable protein. My reaction could have been caused more by the fact that my hair was damaged, rather than the treatment, but I would be afraid to ever get this near my hair again. I use products with keratin only occasionally (like the One & Only Mask. It's fabulous for once & awhile but probably not good for more than twice a month.) But my hair does need something to allow it to have substance, because it is color treated.

Have you tried any Jessicurlproducts? Too Shea! is a really nice conditioner for moisture and as a leave-in. (It's not very detangling, though, at least for me). I love Jessicurl Oil Blend for Softer Hair.
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CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
I'm getting confused...

Staying stuck to this post so I can learn!
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
This is in the PM Shine (paul mitchell color) - it has no wheat, but I'm afraid to use it:

Water/Eau/Aqua, Hydrogen Peroxide, Polysorbate-80, Polysorbate-20, Isopropyl C12-15-Pareth-9 Carboxylate.
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I don't know if the As I Am leave-in would be moisturizing enough for your hair, LG. If your hair is drinking mayo you'd need a whole bottle of it for one use! It's a very light, watery product. It's great at helping with frizz and keeping tangles away, but it's not moisturizing. I use As I Am Hydration Elation Conditioner 2-4x a month for heavy-duty moisture, and it's great. It's not a protein treatment - just soothing hydration.
Originally Posted by gardencurls
I used the As I am LI tonight, with KCCC and the Jane Carter over that, and I love it - it's more structured than my other LIs - like better hold and more voluminous curls. I'll just have to see how my hair likes it overall; right now, it's feeling SUPER moisturized (but that could be the jane carter, too) will just have to see how it is in my hair over the next 24 hours (if it starts getting dry, etc.)
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So I was doing really well with everything when I used FHG (spiral solutions). I loved how it made my hair look but I am on third day - and I didn't get to wash it and I just got color put on my hair (my mom does it) and the tangles were INSANE!

So I think there is another culprit - what do you guys think it could be? I'm wondering if it's the silk amino acids...

Distilled Water, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Brassica Oleracea Italica (Broccoli) Seed Oil, Phenoxyethanol (and) Benzoic Acid (and) Dehydroacetic Acid, Silk Amino Acids, Panthenol, Polyquaternium-4, Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Powder, Chondrus Crispus (Sea Algae), Fragrance, Tocopheral, Citric Acid.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
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Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
Also I want to add that I'm getting my hair MAJORLY trimmed - like we're talking inches off.

My ends are actually not split but they are super thin. I can't figure out why. So this is the longest my hair has ever been but with all the shedding, it's like if you put my hair in a ponytail, the ponytail is just thin skinny stringy look ends

So I'm cutting it all off. Why keep it? I guess I have to start over. I just hope I can figure out my hair in time to regrow it healthy and strong!
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All right - I did the cut!

But the tangles!

So now I'm suspecting Panthenoal, Silk, or coconut and wondering which it might be. Or maybe it's shea! Ugh

All I know is that the two VERY safe products for me so far have been KCKT and KCCC and they are free of any coconut, silk, panthenol, shea, and glycerin.

Any thoughts?

I mean, am I going to find ANY products out there without Protein, Panthenol, or coconut????
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Last edited by LilaGirl; 09-30-2012 at 08:24 PM.
Use the Biolage Conditioning Balm. I don't know the ingredients for Biolage, but the ingredients in Sally's GVP Conditioning Balm are:Water (Aqua), Propylene Glycol, Myristyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Decyl Oleate, Phenoxyethanol, Fragrance (Parfum), Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Hexyl Cinnamal, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Hydrastis Canadensis (Golden Seal) Extract, Fucus Vesiculosus (Bladderwack) Extract, Methyl-2-Octynoate

The more damaged hair is, the harder it is to find just the right ingredients to get it to behave like it's healthy. When you mentioned your "stringy" ends in your pony tail, all I could think was that your hair has reached the point of no return. The trim should help a lot! That's the only thing I could do when I reached that state, as well. And I had to cut my hair in layers...not even any kind of style. If I didn't have curly hair, I'd look like I got in a fight with a lawnmower and lost. When I reached this "breaking" point with my hair, I had to give it moisture, but it couldn't take much else. It probably doesn't matter what helpful ingredients you add to it right now if it's not hydrated. I've noticed that I have to switch around products, depending upon the weather and/or the season.

Panthenol, silk protein, etc. don't cause tangles, but they can temporarily make hair look and feel better when they're applied to hair. Hair coloring, however, definitely damages hair. Your coloring probably added just enough damage to your already severely damaged hair that it doesn't want to absorb anything any more. PM Shines are demi-permanent, so they lift your hair with peroxide. Peroxide breaks down melanin, and weakens the hair shaft, and the hair shaft cannot be repaired, just remedied.

If I were you, I'd just try to add moisture moisture moisture moisture for awhile. I'd possibly do a few heavy-duty LeKair Cholesterol treatments. (Ingredients: Purified Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetearyl Alcohol & PEG 40, Hydrogenated Castor Oil & Stearalkonium Choloride, Mineral oil, Cholesterol, Hydrolyzed Collagen, Citric Acid, Aloe, Jojoba Oil, Vitamin E, Acetate, Vitamin A & D, Methyl Paraben, Propyl Paraben, Tetrasodium, EDTA, FD&C Yellow #5, FD&C Red #4, Fragrance.) They could help add enough moisture so that you're hair can look more likes its old self. Cholesterol is an old-fashioned remedy, but sometimes it's still really helpful!

Another really gentle product is Cure Care Conditioner, but it does contain protein: (Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Bromide, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Polymethoxy Bicyclic Oxazolidine, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Citric Acid.) Still, it might be good to use it as a wash, and then add the Biolage Balm as a rinse and a leave-in. You could also try Free & Clear conditioner (Purified Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Propylene Glycol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Ceteareth 20, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Potassium Sorbate, Panthenol, Citric Acid.)
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CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
Thanks, Garden. I was reading elsewhere about shea, and coconut as well as silk and panthenol causing problems for people (in the archives). Some it caused dryness.

I didn't use PM Shine. I Used framesi - yesterday - which might be worse! I read online that framesi was all natural then after my mother colored it (semi-perm), I read the box and was HORRIFIED!

Great, and I just got miles of hair cut off.

My hair is SOOOO short now, so I have to start over, but I do have to color. I don't like going around with half gray hair. I look so much better b/c of the color but I truly just want my hair to be back to health and not damaged.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
Distilled Water, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Brassica Oleracea Italica (Broccoli) Seed Oil, Phenoxyethanol (and) Benzoic Acid (and) Dehydroacetic Acid, Silk Amino Acids, Panthenol, Polyquaternium-4, Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Powder, Chondrus Crispus (Sea Algae), Fragrance, Tocopheral, Citric Acid.
Originally Posted by LilaGirl
Pretty sure these are proteins.
Looks like you are getting some really vast advice on this thread. So many different products though!

Have you seen my deep moisture thread? Lisa's Curl Flood Moisture Treatment

What are your hair goals exactly? Are you going for healthy length or to maintain a healthy curly hairdo that you will trim every month or so?
Lisa, thanks for coming on over to my thread!

I think I'm going to try to avoid ALL protein right now - so silk amino acids are out - FHG gave me MAJOR tangles again.

So no protein, but I'm also questioning panthenol, coconut and shea as possible culprits.

My goal - now that I just cut all the length off my hair is to have my volume back _ stop the shedding! And to solve this issue with tangles and brittleness - and yes, to have length back - so I can grow it strong and healthy.
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LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
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Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
I OD'd on protein last month also - so I'm staying far away from them as well. Here's what I'm using right now:

CO, RO, & LI - Suave Lavender and Lilac condish:
Water, (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Fragrance (Parfum), Lactic Acid, Potassium Chloride, Disodium EDTA, DMDM Hydantoin, PEG-150 Distearate, Tocopheryl Acetate [Vitamin E Acetate], Panthenol, Propylene Glycol, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Passiflora Edulis Flower Extract, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Leaf Extract, Rose (Rose Canina) Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract, Red 33 (Ci 17200), Blue 1 (Ci 42090).


CO, RO, & LI - Suave Waterfall mist condish: Water (Aqua) , Cetyl Alcohol , Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine , Fragrance (Parfum) , Lactic Acid , Potassium Chloride , Disodium EDTA , DMDM Hydantoin , PEG-150 Distearate , Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E Acetate) , Methylchloroisothiazolinone , Methylisothiazolinone , Spirulina Maxima Extract , Mentha Aquatica Leaf Extract , Nymphaea Alba Flower Extract , Blue 1 (CI 42090) , Red 33 (CI17200)

Clarify - Giovanni 50:50 shampoo: Aqua (Purified Water), *Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Leaf Juice, Sodium Cocoamphoacetate, Lauryl Glucoside, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Sodium Lauryl Glucose Carboxylate, Decyl Glucoside, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Vegetable Glycerin, Panthenol, Potassium Sorbate, Citric Acid, Polysorbate 20, *Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, *Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, *Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Extract, *Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Extract, *Salvia Sclarea Extract, *Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract, *Tussilago Farfara (Coltsfoot) Flower Extract, *Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract, *Equisetum Arvense Extract, *Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, *Glycine Soja (Soybean) Seed Extract, Betula Alba (Birch) Extract, Malva Sylvestris (Mallow) Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Natural Fragrance.

Coconut oil, Olive oil, Vegetable glycerine.

As far as I can tell, none of these contain protein & my hair is recovering very nicely. My hair does the best with simple products - I don't even use gel anymore!
Yeah, the gel was definitely a huge problem.
Thanks again, LIsa,

I do better with simple too - so KCKT and KCCC is working now.

But I want to branch out!

However, I can use suave, etc. My hair is snobby and wants high-end stuff with oils So I'm trying to find stuff more along those lines. I bought Komaza's coconut pudding but I'm not sure now about coconut.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
So I was doing really well with everything when I used FHG (spiral solutions). I loved how it made my hair look but I am on third day - and I didn't get to wash it and I just got color put on my hair (my mom does it) and the tangles were INSANE!

So I think there is another culprit - what do you guys think it could be? I'm wondering if it's the silk amino acids...

Distilled Water, Dehydroxanthan Gum, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Brassica Oleracea Italica (Broccoli) Seed Oil, Phenoxyethanol (and) Benzoic Acid (and) Dehydroacetic Acid, Silk Amino Acids, Panthenol, Polyquaternium-4, Aloe Barbadensis (Aloe Vera) Powder, Chondrus Crispus (Sea Algae), Fragrance, Tocopheral, Citric Acid.
Originally Posted by LilaGirl
It has Polyquaterim-4 in it, which gives me problems. I'd try to stay away from chemicals (except for preservatives.)
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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Maybe this article will help:
The Long Hair Community Discussion Boards

ETA: They are having trouble at that site so here it is:

You purchase something new, because your hair is lacking something, is dry, damaged or your just feeling inspired to try something you haven't before. It goes well for a day or two, then disaster strikes! DRY brittle hair, with no life whatsoever, in the worst condition you've ever known it to be. In defense of this, you use more of your new product, or even get a new one, and it gets WORSE! We are talking straw.

What's going on? This happened to me, so in finding out what it was, and how to fix it, I thought I would share with those whom it might happen to (or already has!). It could simply be the dreaded protein disaster. Many people find protein beneficial to their hair, protein fillers to repair damaged hair, protein packs before colorings, and find them miraculous. Unfortuately, there are some of us few, that protein of any kind can wreak absolute disaster.

Ways to realize it might be a protein mutiny?

Hair suddenly goes haywire, we're talking brillo pad rough.

Extra oiling, treatments and packs do no good, the minute you wash your hair again (or use that new item) its back to hell in a handbasket.

Possible extreme dry scalp (I had this) when you normally have oily hair.

When you rinse out conditioner, instead of it feeling moisturized and smooth, hair instantly gnarls and feels dry even with water on it.

Returning to old products for a few days to a week starts to restore it, going back to the new destroys it to that haystack.

Protein is a devil of an ingedient and additive when you are sensitive to it and your hair absolutely hates it. It's often hidden, and I couldn't tell you all of the ingredients that make up protein to point them out; however, once you realize you may have a protein problem, check your items, and read ingredients carefully on anything you might buy for the following:

Hydrolized ANYTHING, Milk, Soy, Silk, Egg, Placenta, Enzyme, reconstructor, split ends, damage repair, restorative, rejuvenator, Amino Acid, Collegen, and Keratin

(Important note: Watch out for Panthenol. For most this ingredient is harmless, but some hair types reject it, and instead of moisturizing it has the same effect as protein on the hair, making it super coarse and brittle.

From Wikipedia:
In cosmetics, panthenol is a humectant, emollient and moisturizer. It binds to hair follicles readily and is a frequent component of shampoos and hair conditioners (in concentrations of 0.1-1%). It coats the hair and seals its surface, lubricating follicles and making strands appear shiny.

In effect, Panthenol can act as a highly effective sealing silicone on some individuals. Also of note, Panthenol although not a protein, can be treated in the same way as a protein disaster if you gain bad effects from it. Its exception is to clarify with a shampoo not containing Panthenol.)

If an item in question says "blank blank milk", or, "Repairs and restores damaged hair" read the ingredient list carefully, 9 times out of ten its loaded with protein.

Okay, so you have a protein debacle, what do you do? Don't panic! Do not cut off your hair in frustration, do not make hasty choices because you are sick of the hair mutiny! There is hope, the first solution is time, and riddance of all protein in your hairs routine. Check everything, from oil blends, shampoos, conditioners, leave ins, hairsprays, and gels. Once the protein is gone, your hair WILL return to normal.

To hasten the process: Protein can be very drying. Hair feels tender and fragile, desert like... Moisture is the key. Conditon condition condition in whatever manner you can think, from SMT's, cholesterol treatments, heavy oilings, whatever you find your hair likes and drinks up like a lapping pup. The same treatments do not work for everyone, having my hair continually wet in a moisture treatment was not happy for my hair, but might be for yours. In my case using a leave in thick conditioner and slathering it heavily on dry hair worked the best.

The best advice to give, is if you can't discern proteins in new items, immediately go back to the last thing that worked for your hair, no matter what it was. Your hair can be saved, just be patient. Usually within a week of deep moisture salvation and riddance of protein, your hair will return to the lustrousness you remembered it. Protein damage is not permanent, so with time, all will be well!
Thanks, Garden. I was reading elsewhere about shea, and coconut as well as silk and panthenol causing problems for people (in the archives). Some it caused dryness.

I didn't use PM Shine. I Used framesi - yesterday - which might be worse! I read online that framesi was all natural then after my mother colored it (semi-perm), I read the box and was HORRIFIED!

Great, and I just got miles of hair cut off.

My hair is SOOOO short now, so I have to start over, but I do have to color. I don't like going around with half gray hair. I look so much better b/c of the color but I truly just want my hair to be back to health and not damaged.
Originally Posted by LilaGirl
I'll bet your hair looks great! Does it look healthier now that it's short? Is it hard to keep your hands out of it? When I chopped mine, I thought I'd be horrified, but when it immediately sprang up into curls, and it was shiny and soft, I almost cried! Now that I know better, I'll take short healthy curls over long scraggly hair anytime.

Yes, Framesi is just like every other demi/demi permanent coloring because you have to use a peroxide developer for it to deliver the color into the hair. It doesn't matter what's in the actual "dye", you still have to use peroxide for anything that doesn't wash right out. I won't use anything more than a 10 volume developer. While this still causes damage (it has to in order to lift pigment) I get way more color with way less dryness than when I used 20 volume. I don't think Framesi sells less than 20 volume with their "brand" name, but I buy my developer dirt cheap at Sally's. You could use the Framesi color with 10 volume developer, and it may even add more pigment to the gray hairs. With 10 volume you want to use a lighter color than you think you want, because it doesn't lift much. I find, with my grays, I get a much better color match with 10 volume because it doesn't strip so much. I have copper-auburn hair, but I use a level 8 color, and it works perfectly.

I had never heard about shea, coconut, and panthenol (vitamin B5), causing dryness. Oh great. I just learned about Polyquats in this thread. I know panthenol is water soluble, so if it can't bind to the shaft it probably just slides off severely damaged hair. Now that I know it's possible, I think my hair isn't too fond of much panthenol either. It's really hard to find many hair care products that don't have panthenol! KCCC and KCKT are two of them (from what I can tell...I could be wrong), but I'm having a hard time finding others besides the ones I mention below.

"Silk" is probably "silk protein" and that can be nasty stuff...So that definitely leaves out the SheaMoisture line for you, and don't use the Cure Care I mentioned before. Or CCCClite, and CCCC,

Out of the products I mentioned in my previous thread, I still think these may help moisturize your hair: GVP (Biolage) Conditioning Balm, LeKair Cholesterol, Free & Clear Conditioner, Jessicurl's Conditioners, Give it a couple of weeks of heavy-duty moisture (as LISA LISA said as well!), and then start getting adventurous again. The Jessicurl products have Shea in them, so you may want to avoid them, however, they do not have proteins, vitamin B5, coconut or wheat.

LISA LISA - your experience sounds so, so much like what I went through prior to August 2011! Protein turned out to be a major culprit for me, as well, and I learned that my hair wants to soak up ridiculous amounts of moisture. I also found that dimethicone was not my friend. Now I can use it once in a while, but before I knew better, all the products I was using for "healing" were loaded with proteins, silicones, glycerin, panthenol, SLS, and (now I know) polyquats. No wonder I had crappy hair! I'm SO SO SO SO glad I found this site, and others who understand!

Thanks to this thread, I have some possible explanations for what caused my bout of horrific tangling last week. My hair was so dry and tangly I was afraid I needed to cut it again. In order to "help" my hair, I had done a few treatments with Ouidad Biotin Serum, which is supposed to help dryness and tangles, and I did one DT with Ouidad Omega-3 Hair Treatment. Both of these are loaded with B vitamins, polyquats, and amino acids! Plus, the SheaMoisture stuff I was drenching my hair with is full of silk proteins (and shea, obviously).

I'm starting this week (as of yesterday) with Jessicurl Too Shea, and KCCC. I'm going to stick to KC products and some Jessicurl this week, and see what happens.

BTW - LISA LISA I love your bat!
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb

Last edited by gardencurls; 10-01-2012 at 02:32 PM.
Lila - I just thought of something...

Do you use a sleep bonnet at night? Especially when my hair is feeling dry, this makes a huge difference in the morning knots!
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CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb

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