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Old 09-30-2012, 07:41 PM   #21
 
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Hair care is done by things like coarse vs fine and porosity. To a lesser extent, numerical type plays a role. I use 'black' products. Are they not supposed to work on me because I'm White with type 3 hair? There are Black type 4s who use 'white' products. Being shunted into product based on race or ethnicity isn't going to necessarily give you the best hair care options.
I don't think anyone should base their product use on what is marketed towards their race. But I do believe that people of the same ethnic background have similar hair properties. Just being "white" is not even close to specific enough. It has to do with the actual DNA. I agree, a fully "white" 3B would not have the same exact properties as a different ethnicity 3B. That was my point.
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Hair care is done by things like coarse vs fine and porosity. To a lesser extent, numerical type plays a role. I use 'black' products. Are they not supposed to work on me because I'm White with type 3 hair? There are Black type 4s who use 'white' products. Being shunted into product based on race or ethnicity isn't going to necessarily give you the best hair care options.
ITA, your hair properties are what determines what is best for hair, not ethnicity. Which is why there is no such thing as "bi-racial hair".
Agreed. I get the biggest eye-roll when I see that phrase. Just stop.
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ITA, your hair properties are what determines what is best for hair, not ethnicity. Which is why there is no such thing as "bi-racial hair".
I'd have to disagree with this, however.
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Hair care is done by things like coarse vs fine and porosity. To a lesser extent, numerical type plays a role. I use 'black' products. Are they not supposed to work on me because I'm White with type 3 hair? There are Black type 4s who use 'white' products. Being shunted into product based on race or ethnicity isn't going to necessarily give you the best hair care options.
I don't think anyone should base their product use on what is marketed towards their race. But I do believe that people of the same ethnic background have similar hair properties. Just being "white" is not even close to specific enough. It has to do with the actual DNA. I agree, a fully "white" 3B would not have the same exact properties as a different ethnicity 3B. That was my point.
Sure they can. There are Black 3b's with my hair properties.
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ITA, your hair properties are what determines what is best for hair, not ethnicity. Which is why there is no such thing as "bi-racial hair".
I'd have to disagree with this, however.
That's fine. We agree to disagree.
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Hair care is done by things like coarse vs fine and porosity. To a lesser extent, numerical type plays a role. I use 'black' products. Are they not supposed to work on me because I'm White with type 3 hair? There are Black type 4s who use 'white' products. Being shunted into product based on race or ethnicity isn't going to necessarily give you the best hair care options.

To second this- there is a (caucasian) 2c wavy who has commented that she gets most of her best product suggestions on the 4a/4b forums, rather than on the 2s forum because many of the posters on the 2s forum have very different hair properties than she does.

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Sure they can. There are Black 3b's with my hair properties.
It has to do with the properties of your DNA.
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Hair genes and color genes aren't on the same gene. Seriously. You're getting nowhere fast with that argument. Bi-racial hair isn't some Special Snowflake category of hair because it doesn't exist.
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Go back at look at the OP's post. No mention of ethnicity. Why? Because it has nothing to do with your hair properties and choosing the correct products for your hair.
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Hair genes and color genes aren't on the same gene. Seriously. You're getting nowhere fast with that argument. Bi-racial hair isn't some Special Snowflake category of hair because it doesn't exist.
Ethnicity is not defined by the color of your skin or hair for that matter. It has to do with your entire genetic makeup & similar physical traits from humans in each region.
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Hair genes and color genes aren't on the same gene. Seriously. You're getting nowhere fast with that argument. Bi-racial hair isn't some Special Snowflake category of hair because it doesn't exist.
Ethnicity is not defined by the color of your skin or hair for that matter. It has to do with your entire genetic makeup & similar physical traits from humans in each region.
Biracial hair still goes by hair properties: porosity, thickness, density, etc. Are those determined by genes? Sure. They're also determined by things like whether you color your hair or not. I agree with RedCelticCurls This ethinicity stuff is pretty pointless since there are other factors that demystify the whole deal.

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POROSITY:
low
medium{*}
high

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands
medium strands{*}
thin/fine strands

DENSITY:
high density/lots of hair
normal density/normal amount of hair{*}
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
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3a{*}
3b{*}
3c{*}
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4b
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SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein
glycerin
silicones{*}
sulfates
oils/butters{*} it depends on the type.

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein{*} though my hair can be finicky
glycerin{*}
frizz control{*}
volume
definition
curl enhancement{*}
moisture{*}
organic/all natural{*} sometimes

PRICES:
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$15 at most for a product{*}
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Hair care is done by things like coarse vs fine and porosity. To a lesser extent, numerical type plays a role. I use 'black' products. Are they not supposed to work on me because I'm White with type 3 hair? There are Black type 4s who use 'white' products. Being shunted into product based on race or ethnicity isn't going to necessarily give you the best hair care options.
ITA, your hair properties are what determines what is best for hair, not ethnicity. Which is why there is no such thing as "bi-racial hair".
Agreed. I get the biggest eye-roll when I see that phrase. Just stop.
+ one million.

As mentioned everyone is entitled to an opinion. my opinion is hair doesn't have an ethnicity or race and it is COMPLETELY POINTLESS to tell us this information when describing a hair problem or issue. Some people don't agree. To each his own but I think there is a reason some thread questiond get fewer replies.

Anyway, I believe the point of this thread is to help people find products that might work for them. I hope we can get back on topic. Great thread idea. I think I almost found my match.
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I just have to chime in and say that ethnicity is really not that important here. So, I have two sisters..we all have the same mother and father. All three of us have different hair properties....so now what's the argument on ethinicity being important here?

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I just have to chime in and say that ethnicity is really not that important here. So, I have two sisters..we all have the same mother and father. All three of us have different hair properties....so now what's the argument on ethinicity being important here?

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It depends on what your ethnic background is. If you're mixed with more than one thing, then that changes the possible outcomes of the offspring.
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Oook...well I have curly 3a hair that is very dense/thin! My sister also has thin hair but she has wavy hair, my brother has very thick quinky hair lol. My parents have very thick hair, which my mom has very curly hair in the 4s. So how are our hair all different if genes are the same?? My products also would never work for my mom or sister like it works for me...we tried it! And were all 100% puertorican same parent same genes......?
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I just have to chime in and say that ethnicity is really not that important here. So, I have two sisters..we all have the same mother and father. All three of us have different hair properties....so now what's the argument on ethinicity being important here?

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It depends on what your ethnic background is. If you're mixed with more than one thing, then that changes the possible outcomes of the offspring.
Multiple curl types are pretty common in people not mixed-race. Hair is hair. You don't get to have Special Snowflake hair for being mixed race. It'll whittle down to Karen.
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I'm sure InaEva will say that Puerto Rican is not a pure ethnicity which is true. Being Puerto Rican is a combination of ethnic mixtures. Pure groups are African, Asian and Anglo. Other groups come from those.

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I think you've pretty much proven that ethnicity is really not an important factor here. There is so much mixture in genes of different backgrounds in the population that going by ethnicity will get you nowhere or not too far. The majority of us have a mixture of more than one pure race.....even if you're unaware of it. That's why someone saying they're from ethnicity-A won't help much if someone from ethnicity-B also has that A's properties. Anyway, I was really digging this thread but it's going in the wrong direction. Lets get back on board.

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I was really digging this thread but it's going in the wrong direction. Lets get back on board.
Agree! I'm really new to this still, so I don't know much about products that work for me. Hopefully I run across some more 2A's that have tips!

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DENSITY:
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SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
silicones
sulfates
(haven't tried anything else yet so don't know)


LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
volume
definition
curl enhancement
moisture



PRICES:
only drugstore products
I would like to add a category here - what about homemade!

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