anonymous_125408

I don't co-wash yet, I'm not going to start that until I am all done with the evil silicone conditioners lol. Right now I'm using a generic CVS baby wash, in which the main surfactant is Decyl Glucoside. The mousse I have (which I have decided to only use once a week, also until it is gone lol) has silicones, so I figured I'll low-poo and condition most the week, then use the mousse for vanity's sake once a week and use a sulfate shampoo (which I think does have silicones too ) a day or two after. I am really looking forward to getting totally on board with no sulfates and no silicones, but I have a tight budget so I have to do it in stages. But thanks again so much for the help! I finally feel like I'm getting a handle on this, and figuring out what to do. Side note, I found a semi-coil this morning!!

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2a/b, high porosity, fine strands, average density, just about shoulder blade length

My hair loves moisture!

currently mod-cg , using low-poo and not totally cone-free yet. I'll get there though!

jsuzkelley

I completely understand the need to save money, lol! I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but I'm not sure the decyl glucoside is enough to remove the silicones from your hair; here's a link to an article about silicones and which cleansing agent's are good to remvoe them. What's the Scoop on Silicones?

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CG since 12/29/2011

anonymous_125408

I was curious and referred to my favorite crafty cosmetic chemist, Susan Barclay-Nichols, who when asked (in a comment on this post) "are the gentlest surfactants like cocamidopropyl betaine and decyl glucoside able to wash away silicones?" says:

"If you aren't using tons and tons of it, yes. (When I say tons, I mean using a conditioner, leave in, anti-frizz, and heat protecting spray - especially the last one! - every single day.) If you're using that much, I'd include 2% cetrimonium chloride in your conditioner, which is a great silicone remover.

Even the most gentle surfactants are effective at removing silicones and other things that can film form. This is one of the reasons we don't see much build up on our hair from conditioners any more - gentle and mild isn't equal to poor cleansing"

I've followed her blog for a while, and she is uber-knowledgeable so I trust her lol. Of course, take that with a grain of salt, like she says this only works if you don't have a ton of build up! Hopefully that helps someone other than me too.

I started to look into non-ionic (decyl glucoside) vs amphoteric (cocobetain) but it got too technical for me lol...

At any rate, I think the main reason decyl glucoside may not be on that list on the page about silicones is because in most cases it is a lesser/complementary surfactant, waaaay down the ingredient list and therefore is often overlooked. In the CVS baby wash though, it's the 2nd ingredient in the list. Sorbitol is next (which wow, looking it up now I just found that it's a humectant!), then Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate which is another mild surfactant, also a derivative of coconut oil similar to cocobetaine, and is often used to remove minerals from hard water. So I just learned more about my cheapy low-poo than I knew before! Hooray for discovery! Incidentally, it also has citric acid and Dehydroacetic Acid, so that could be why when I tried to use it in conjunction with ACV my hair got fried!

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2a/b, high porosity, fine strands, average density, just about shoulder blade length

My hair loves moisture!

currently mod-cg , using low-poo and not totally cone-free yet. I'll get there though!

jsuzkelley

Awesome - good to know. I have some low poos with decyl glucoside as the cleanser and didn't think they would be able to remove cones. I don't generally use silicones, but when I get my hair trimmed my stylist does. Thanks for the info

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CG since 12/29/2011

wavyrachel

POROSITY:
low
medium*
high

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands
medium strands*
thin/fine strands

DENSITY:
high density/lots of hair
normal density/normal amount of hair*
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
2a**
2b*
2c***
3a
3b
3c
4a
4b
4c

SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein
glycerin
silicones*
sulfates*
oils/butters*. some

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein*
glycerin
frizz control*
volume*
definition*
curl enhancement*
moisture*
organic/all natural

PRICES:
only drugstore products*
$15 at most for a product*
salon*. occasionally
boutique
anything that works

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rocking 2c waves with 3a bangs (on a good day)

Modified CG

Low-poo: Yes to Carrots (contains Sodium Coco Sulfate A.K.A. SLS), Live Clean Volumizing
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals
Rinse-out Condish: Yes to Carrots
DT and PT: IAgirl's PT, Enjoy Hair Mask (A-cone)
Stylers: Joico Curl Defining Cream/Gel, Joico Joiwhip, He Body Envy Gel, He Tousle Me Softly Mousse, Boticelli Babes FSG, DIY sea salt spray

I my difuser

dresdendoll

Wow, I just revisited this thread, and I cannot believe how many responses! Thank you, everyone, for participating (: I think I found a hair twin or two also haha

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2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
Growing out a CL bob. Last significant haircut 12/2011...and back to SL as of 6/2013
CG again as of 7/20/12


Cleanser: BRÖÖ Hydrating Porter Shampoo, KC Come Clean + pumpkin oil
RO/LI: KC Knot Today
Styler: Flax Seed Gel with aloe and honeyquat
Trying to make my own products!

all-natural products, MOISTURE, humectants, argan oil
PROTEIN, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils or products

seamelody14

Sometimes it's hard finding good products, and it would be nice to find a curl twin who has similar properties to help compare products and results. I guess bold whatever applies to you and look for others with the same(:

POROSITY:
low*
medium
high

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands
medium strands*
thin/fine strands*

DENSITY:
high density/lots of hair*
normal density/normal amount of hair
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
2a
2b*
2c*
3a*
3b
3c
4a
4b
4c

SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein
glycerin
silicones*
sulfates*
oils/butters

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein* likes to an extent
glycerin* likes to an extent
frizz control*
volume*
definition* slight definition
curl enhancement*
moisture*
organic/all natural* not required but it's a plus

PRICES:
only drugstore products
$15 at most for a product* preferably this
salon
boutique
anything that works*

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2a/b
medium/thick
high porosity (from coloring)

Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
Oils: caudalie, sweet almond

berri_cherri

POROSITY:
low>>>>>>>
medium
high

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands>>>>>
medium strands
thin/fine strands

DENSITY:
high density/lots of hair>>>>
normal density/normal amount of hair
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
2a
2b
2c
3a
3b
3c
4a>>
4b>>MIX
4c

SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein>>MAYBE...not sure!
glycerin
silicones
sulfates>>>DRIES!
oils/butters

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein
glycerin>>not sure yet!
frizz control
volume>>>LIKE
definition>>>LOVE
curl enhancement>>>LOVE
moisture>>>LOVE
organic/all natural>>>>LOVE

PRICES:
only drugstore products
$15 at most for a product
salon
boutique
anything that works>>>online, ground, as long as it works!

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Hair type:
4A/4B(coarse, very thick, dry, and curly)
Big chop 3/27/12
Hair styling products: Shea Moisture(yellow line shampoo n restorative conditioner)
http://tastyberri.blogspot.com/

Density: High
porosity: Definitely LOW

berri_cherri

What Test did you use that worked for you?

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Hair type:
4A/4B(coarse, very thick, dry, and curly)
Big chop 3/27/12
Hair styling products: Shea Moisture(yellow line shampoo n restorative conditioner)
http://tastyberri.blogspot.com/

Density: High
porosity: Definitely LOW

kurlygurly

Lots of us got the Live Curly Live Free hair analysis

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

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3B....Live Curly Live Free Analysis: Texture = Medium Porosity = Normal Elasticity = Normal iherb.com discount code DWW266

dingers

New to posting on the forum but have been a semi-longtime 'er.
Hopefully my hair twinnie is out there

POROSITY:
low
medium
high*

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands
medium strands*
thin/fine strands

DENSITY:
[B]high density/lots of hair[/B*]
normal density/normal amount of hair
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
2a
2b
2c
3a
3b
3c*
4a
4b
4c

SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein
glycerin
silicones*
sulfates*
oils/butters

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein
glycerin
frizz control*
volume
definition*
curl enhancement*
moisture*
organic/all natural

PRICES:
only drugstore products
$15 at most for a product
salon
boutique
anything that works*

ltdeforrest

Curl pattern: 3a with some 3b and 2c to make it interesting
Texture: baby fine
Porosity: low to medium
Density: thin side of normal
Elasticity: good
My hair is way frizzier since I've been CG, but my curl pattern is much stronger and tighter

Hair likes: Moisture! Coconut, shea, and more natural products.

Hair dislikes: most proteins (keratin is fine; soy and oat seem to be okay if they are WAY down in the list of ingredients), ANYTHING wheat-based, glycerin in any leave in products, still trying to figure out if other humectants are okay.

Climate: Seattle marine climate, rainy and cool with moderate dews year-round.

Product price: anything that works....although my DH wishes otherwise.

Possible hair twins: jsuzkelley (different climate), Cuban curl-e (different curl pattern but many of the same issues with products), dresdendoll

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3a, baby fine i/ii, low to normal porosity, protein sensitive
Mod CG since 5/12, from rainy Western WA
dislikes: glycerin, wheat protein
Likes: moisture, Mag Sulfate
Poo: Topganics AO shampoo, TIGI Honey & Oatmeal (2x month)
Cond: JC WDT, Sonoma Soap Company Daily Conditioner
LI: JCTS, JC WDT, CJ CR (summer)
Style: Loma Curvy Cream (new HG), AOMM/KCCC (HG), DB Curling Cream Gel, MGA Sculpting gel

jsuzkelley

^^hooray!! Another hair twin

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CG since 12/29/2011

Knotty_Maddy

I've read every post here, and though some come pretty close, still not finding my hair twin

POROSITY:
low*
medium*
high

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands
medium strands*
thin/fine strands*

DENSITY:
high density/lots of hair
normal density/normal amount of hair*
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
2a
2b
2c*
3a*
3b
3c
4a
4b
4c

SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein*
glycerin
silicones
sulfates
oils/butters

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein
glycerin*
frizz control*
volume*
definition*
curl enhancement*
moisture*
organic/all natural

PRICES:
only drugstore products
$15 at most for a product
salon
boutique
anything that works (within reason! lol!) *

So do I have a twin out there...?

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Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!

dresdendoll

MY hair is medium/thick, but other than that, we're pretty much hair twins!

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2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
Growing out a CL bob. Last significant haircut 12/2011...and back to SL as of 6/2013
CG again as of 7/20/12


Cleanser: BRÖÖ Hydrating Porter Shampoo, KC Come Clean + pumpkin oil
RO/LI: KC Knot Today
Styler: Flax Seed Gel with aloe and honeyquat
Trying to make my own products!

all-natural products, MOISTURE, humectants, argan oil
PROTEIN, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils or products

Knotty_Maddy

@Dresdendoll, Yay! lol...I was beginning to feel a bit lonely ;p what products do you use? What do you find the best for enhancing your curls? *curious!* (or should we PM this kind of thing...?) I guess I should go look at your sig block to see if you mention those things!

ETA ok I went and looked at your sig what is SM, please? Is that Shea Moisture? I don't think we have that in Canada...

Re-ETA: My products are not really very natural, I tried CGM and all-natural and it wilted my hair just doesn't work for me, I am glad it does for you! I still use low-poo as much as I can (Renpure Argan Oil) but my hair lacks hold, and the hold products I use (a TON) tend to wear off after an hour or so...

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Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!

kurlygurly

I'm 3b, but everything else seems about the same.



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3B Live Curly Live Free Analysis: Texture = Medium Porosity = Normal Elasticity = Normal

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3B....Live Curly Live Free Analysis: Texture = Medium Porosity = Normal Elasticity = Normal iherb.com discount code DWW266

Knotty_Maddy

KurlyGurly, *some* of my hair is 3B (and one clump is 3C, and one is 4A! lol!)

So cool to know I have two hair twins out there - I never thought I would ever meet anyone with hair like mine...does yours have a mind of it's own, too?

I am curious if you or Dresdendoll have issues with hold - I can put in pounds of different hold products, and they don't weigh my hair down...in fact, they just evaporate and leave my hair soft and holdless lol! Does this happen to you two? Curious! If so, how did you solve it...?

ETA KurlyG, I just read your sig block and my hair hates many of the products you named! Wtf! LOL!

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Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!

kurlygurly

Haaaa....my hair is pretty cooperative. I don't really have issues with hold. I DID, however, have issues before I stopped using silicones. The cones wouldn't allow anything to penetrate or work properly.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

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3B....Live Curly Live Free Analysis: Texture = Medium Porosity = Normal Elasticity = Normal iherb.com discount code DWW266

LilaGirl

POROSITY:
low
medium***
high

THICKNESS:
thick/coarse strands
medium strands
thin/fine strands***

DENSITY:
high density/lots of hair
normal density/normal amount of hair***
low density/lower amount of hair

CURL TYPE:
2a
2b
2c
3a
3b
3c***
4a
4b
4c

SENSITIVITIES/DISLIKES:
protein***
glycerin
silicones***
sulfates***
oils/butters

LIKES/PRODUCT EXPECTATIONS:
protein
glycerin
frizz control
volume
definition***
curl enhancement
moisture***
organic/all natural***

PRICES:
only drugstore products
$15 at most for a product
salon
boutique
anything that works***

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3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate (don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!