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Old 10-06-2012, 12:29 PM   #1
 
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Default Shampoo bars for looser curls/waves?

I really want to try these, but haven't heard much feedback from those with looser, wavier curls. I am mostly a type 2c, with 2b, 3a, and 3b parts throughout. My hair is dense but fine, and my scalp is on the oilier side. I'm also pretty sure my hair is low porosity. Have any fine haired curlies had luck with shampoo bars? And if so, which ones?
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:43 PM   #2
 
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No firsthand experience here, but juts thought I'd say my straight-haired roommate uses one from LUSH. I always assumed their products were very natural, but after some poking around online I discovered that all of them contained sulfates! So if you do go this route, be careful, check ingredients, and make sure you aren't falsely lured by a brand's reputation. Best of luck!
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:17 PM   #3
 
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I use natural shampoo bars from Chagrin Valley (sulfate free). My hair is 2C/3A and my routine is in my signature. I have to do an acv rinse afterward but my water is really hard. I think I do get a little more volume and my hair definitely gets clean.

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Old 10-06-2012, 01:26 PM   #4
 
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I use natural shampoo bars from Chagrin Valley (sulfate free). My hair is 2C/3A and my routine is in my signature. I have to do an acv rinse afterward but my water is really hard. I think I do get a little more volume and my hair definitely gets clean.

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I really want to try chagrin valley! I have soft water so an acv rinse might not even be necessary. Which CV shampoo bars do you like?
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:18 PM   #5
 
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I've used natural soap bars since they were the rage on nc.com over 4 years ago. I feel that they've tightened my curl and increased volume. I'm really picky about ingredients. My hair HATED the only CV bar I tired. It was so awful (tangled and frizzy) that I would have never used another bar if it was my first experience. At first, I didn't know if it was shea butter, castor or avocado oil. I eventually discovered that it was the castor oil.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:03 PM   #6
 
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I've used natural soap bars since they were the rage on nc.com over 4 years ago. I feel that they've tightened my curl and increased volume. I'm really picky about ingredients. My hair HATED the only CV bar I tired. It was so awful (tangled and frizzy) that I would have never used another bar if it was my first experience. At first, I didn't know if it was shea butter, castor or avocado oil. I eventually discovered that it was the castor oil.
Looks like I'll have some experimenting to do! I was at whole foods today and picked up a bar of soap there, it's not specifically a shampoo bar but the ingredients look identical to those of the shampoo bars I've been browsing on the Internet. Do you suppose it would work as a shampoo bar? I did already place an order for CV shampoo bars but I only got sample sizes, hopefully they work. Volume and tighter curls are always a plus for me!
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:53 PM   #7
 
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Kathymack (or others), do you have any specific recommendations for shampoo bars? Thanks!
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:20 PM   #8
 
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I've used a few different ones but honestly I haven't noticed a big difference between them.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:58 PM   #9
 
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I'm still trying to figure out if I like shampoo bars or not. I ordered a whole bunch of CV bars last month. I definitely get more volume and perhaps more curl with them but I seem to be getting more frizz. Also I don't need to use conditioner if I use them as long as I follow the wash with a good ACV rinse. At the moment though, I'm taking a little break from them and have gone back to CO to see if it's just my hair getting more frizzy, the season change, or if its really the bars causing it.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:55 PM   #10
 
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So I went ahead and used the soap bar I got at whole foods today, and here is my experience so far:

First off, it lathers like crazy, making the already inexpensive bar even more economical, which is awesome. When I rinsed it out, my hair felt kind of icky though, like it was coated in soap scum. I almost wanted to start over with low-poo but I had to see the end result, so I followed with conditioner (jessicurl too shea) and a leave in (kckt). I skipped oils and products because I really wanted to see the effect of the soap. Detangling wasn't the greatest, but it wasn't particularly bad either. Too shea isn't much of a detangling conditioner for me anyway, although it is nice and moisturizing. Anyway, I let my hair airdry with no manipulation or anything, and when it was 70% dry, it still felt a little soap-scummy. I went to look in the mirror, and honestly I wasn't expecting it to be good at all given to soap residue feeling. But I was so wrong! Holy curls!!! There's no frizz (my hair always has frizz), and I have some awesome clumpage going on, but I also have AWESOME volume! And my hair seems a lot curlier. It's also really moisturized and my dry ends feel much better. My only complaint, looks wise, is that it's not *quite* as shiny as it could be, which seems to be directly related to the residue. But everything else is perfection. Should I try using ACV to get rid of that feeling and add shine? Next time I'll try sealing with some coconut oil too, but despite the setbacks I have to say I'm REALLY happy with the results. My curls have been so droopy and frizzy lately, and they are BACK! Plus I love the volume, with my fine hair it's so hard to get nice clumps without completely destroying volume.
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LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:07 AM   #11
 
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It takes hair a while to acclimate to using soap/shampoo bars (only difference is that one is considered "super fatted.) It should feel fine after using your rinse out conditioner.

I have moderately hard water--3 out of 4 when setting up the espresso machine, LOL. If you're still feeling the soap residue after using your rinse out, I'd suggest that you try a different rinse out. (I use really rich products, but felt the Jessicurl made my hair limp and lifeless in a week.) If you have really hard water, you may want to try a final rinse with distilled water (regardless of whether or not you're using soap bars.)

Castor oil is usually what makes a soap bar lather. It's also one of the few ingredients that make my hair frizz and tangle. For anyone considering using natural soap bars for hair, try one without castor oil before making up your mind about them.
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Seems like you are on the right track, seamelody14, but I just have to throw in that Kathymack makes and sells her own soap bars that I use to shampoo my hair. They are AMAZING! They smell delicious and they lather as well as any low-poo I've used. I love the Peppermint Tea Tree, and I've also used the Aloe & Calendula version which is nice when I feel like my hair needs more moisture since it's made with shea butter. The link below will take you to Kathymack's Fotki where you can browse for samples and check out all the soap bars too, which are at the bottom of the page

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Old 10-07-2012, 09:49 AM   #13
 
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Thanks kathymack and curvesncurls! I don't think I have hard water, at least not according to what ph strips told me, but I will try using a richer conditioner for sure. Also, I never knew about the samples/shampoo bars, but that's awesome! I'll definitely check that out!
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LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:40 PM   #14
 
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Just wanted to update. I used a shampoo bar again today, and it's going really well! There's far less of that icky feeling, and its starting to get replaced by a really soft feeling. The curl enhancement and volume is really fantastic too, so far this experiment is going great! I did use a different conditioner, but no ACV.
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RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:27 PM   #15
 
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I use chagrin valley shampoo bars and they made my curls a lot tighter. That could just be me but the natural route that I was taking gave my hair a lot of new growth and they are much tighter curls than I used to have! I love the chagrin valley shampoo bars but I have to finish with an apple cider vinegar rinse (I have hard water) and I don't know if it's safe to do during pregnancy. (Silly I know but i think its better to be safe than sorry) Another thing is they give you a waxy/oily scalp for about a month while you are transitioning to the bars but once that is over you should love the results!
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