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Old 10-06-2012, 04:22 PM   #1
 
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Default 'Hair droop" in colder weather now!

Arrghh! just as I figured out my combo, the weather got cold, and now my hair is soft and softly falling. I had been using Biolage styling gel under Deva styling foam. Any suggestions? do I need a stronger gel or a stronger mousse?
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I don't have advice but I have the same issue here. *sigh*
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Old 10-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #3
 
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Experts! please let us hear from you! our curls are dropping like flies!
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You need to readjust your protein moisture balance with the change of seasons.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:33 PM   #5
 
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Yeah, I have to up the LI and oil in the winter.

Just when you get it all figured out!! Lol
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:49 PM   #6
 
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I used a deep conditioner today and it made no difference.
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I let my freak flag fly and accept the droop.
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I have the same problem. Today my curls were so blah....(rain and 57)...yesterday (sunny and 80) they rocked.

Do you add more moisture to your hair in the winter? Or less?
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:07 PM   #9
 
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I used AVG (the only 'protein' my hair tolerates) today and an extra conditioning yesterday with very little improvement. I will keep in mind some of that may change, though. (It is only going to get colder and dryer from here lol) I will up the LI, too.

I've been no poo for over a year but only recently learned hair properties and it made a huge difference. My hair changed last fall/winter, too, but I just didn't know what to even look for, or to connect it to humidity/dew point yada yada.

I suspect my hair does not tolerate glycerin well. I also just recently began learning about dew points, humectants and anti-humectants. That seems like it could be part of the problem? Any advice from anyone regarding any of that? I know...so much of this is just personal and trial and error.

Helps to hear the issue is relatively normal, though!
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Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
LI: KCKT or CJSL
Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:15 PM   #10
 
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WAAAH!!
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:53 AM   #11
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make sure glycerin is not at the top of the ingredient lists. i do use products with glycerin in winter, but it is in middle/bottom part of list, and it also depends on the formulation, enough butters/oils in product to compensate i guess.

i use heavier leave ins in lower dews and most days i seal it.

i don't use protein treatments often, but i use them less often in lower dews, hair needs more moisture then.

i guess what it is is that hair loses moisture to the drier air, so we have to compensate for that. for sure my hair is happier in mid to high dews!
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:14 AM   #12
 
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Oh yeah +1 in reducing glycerin and other humectants in the cold/low dews.

Not out completely, but i definitely cut back in my stylers.
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:17 AM   #13
 
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No glycerin here, ever.
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:51 AM   #14
 
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If I slack on the moisture in the winter, my hair goes from curly to wavy.

I went from this
M'Hair droop" in colder weather now!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1349632139.816655.jpg

To this (my normal winter pattern)

'Hair droop" in colder weather now!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1349632217.652261.jpg

After one use of Lustrasilk

'Hair droop" in colder weather now!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1349632255.013540.jpg

If you don't keep up with moisture in low dews, the curls will fall.

Since I'm porous, sealing helps me too. It helps reduce the environmental effect.
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:14 PM   #15
 
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I think I am having a slightly different issue here than many of you who have so kindly responded. My curls seem to need a stronger product. The crunch is gone. Yes, the crunch is gone. Now, I know some of you will say, "What's t he problem?" but I like a bit of crunch to maintain my curls, and to give them some body. So: where did the crunch go , and what do I do to get it back??
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I thinks it's the same basic issue. We need to adjust our product for the season.

Check out these links. Thy are product specific but information is included that I think would apply to all products.

http://www.frizzoff.com/Articles.aspx?Id=299

Curl Junkie's CIAB or CQ for winter?

My hair is nicer today. I did that aloe as I mentioned above. I also did a longer steam cap in the shower and then I used a lot more LI. I did not style at all and it has more wave than it did the past couple of days with stylers so I have no doubt it would be back to how I want it had I scrunched well and gelled. Maybe even better. So, a big thank you from me to the responders.

Myrna - hopefully you will get your adjustments figured out, too, so you can your crunch back.
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My routine:
Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
LI: KCKT or CJSL
Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
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Maybe try a tad of stronger holding gel? Or another gel altogether. Hopefully you will find something that works soon. I ordered some of the foam myself....I will report back if/when I find a combo that works.
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:07 PM   #18
 
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I notice that Pantene's curly mousse is stronger holding. I may try that tomorrow with my biotera gel - I never used that particular mousse with ANYTHING because in the summer, it gave me plenty of crunch - too much in fact - on its own. But that may be different now...
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:18 PM   #19
 
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Myrna, have you tried AG Gel/Mousse or Mousse/Gel, I forget what order the name is actually in? That stuff is pimp for me all year round and my dew points are consistently low as I live in a desert. It gives you hold like a gel but volume like a mousse. Pricey, but I don't think any more so than the Deva stuff and it lasts me a really long time.

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Old 10-08-2012, 06:20 AM   #20
 
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HI, SunshineGirl, I have heard a lot about AG products here. I have not seen them where I live, although I have not looked in Trade Secrets in the mall. I dont mind paying the price for a good product that works - all those cheap ones that dont work add up as well. That is why I dont mind the Deva Foam - it worked. Ill check out the AG mousse on the products review. Thanks!
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