My hair is not happy!

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  • 1 Post By dresdendoll

My hairís been behaving really oddly lately. Iíve only been CG for a little over a month now, so itís probably just that itís still adjusting. But for the first couple of weeks of CG my hair was pretty great compared to now. I feel like lately itís gotten worse instead of better so Iím flummoxed! Maybe you guys have some thoughts.

This past week my hairís been feeling kind of ďplastickyĒ. When it dries and I SOTC, the wet look doesnít seem to go away completely. It no longer feels crunchy, but some hairs still feel plasticky and just a bit oily and almost weighed down. Sounds like it could be build up, but I just low-pooed on Monday morning, and I cowashed this morning (I wanted to wait another day, but it was feeling unbearably oily), and it still feels weird today. I thought that maybe I was going too heavy on the KCCC, so I tried using a bit less today. Maybe I need to use even less? Maybe itís my gel? Iím currently still using LíOreal Everstyle curl sculpting gel, and Iíve been using it since going CG and Iíve never had this issue with it. Then I thought that it could be my pomade. I bought Curls Passion Fruit Curl Control Paste a few weeks ago and have been using a small amount to help with scrunching out the crunch, and it was working fabulously. It has castor oil in it, so I thought that could be the culprit, but I havenít used it for the past couple of days, and I still have this icky feeling today.

Besides that the only thing Iíve changed recently is conditioners. I was using Giovanni smooth as silk, but I ran out, so I picked up some Shea Moisture Restorative Conditioner last week and have been using it as my leave in. I also bought Tressemme Naturals nourishing moisture conditioner to use a rinse out since Iíve realized I use a lot of the rinse out and the Shea is a bit too pricey for me to use as both. Could these new conditioners be having an effect on my hair?

Iím so clueless when it comes to what my hair likes and doesnít like and completely clueless on my hair properties, even though Iíve read up on them! As far as I can tell, my hairís about medium texture, with coarser hairs on my crown. Medium density. I know my ends are porous because I did a float test with a strand of hair and the ends sank immediately, but the roots continued to float. So medium to high porosity I would say. I have more of a wave than a real curl, although some strands curl like ringlets from time to time and my hair has been looking curlier since I started using KCCC. Other than that, Iím completely clueless and Iím starting to get really discouraged with CG. Any thoughts?
Laura
2C, medium-ish texture and density, med-high porosity, pretty much clueless about everything else
CG since Sept. 2012

Water rinse/condition daily; co-wash every other day; low-poo once a week.
Current products
SM Moisture Retention Shampoo, Suave Naturals (Coconut or Ocean Breeze), Giovanni Smooth as Silk Conditioner/Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner, KCCC, L'Oreal Everstyle Curl Defining Gel/Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee
I think you might be using too much product. I use use Shea Moisture Restorative as my leave-in, and I definitely don't need to use an additional rinse-out with it because it's so moisturizing. You said you cowashed, used a rinse-out, applied a leave-in, then used two stylers and and once more to SOTC. 3 conditioners and 3 stylers would, at least for my hair, not play well because my hair gets--for lack of a better term--confused and overwhelmed when I use more than just a few products. Plus, that must get expensive when you have to rebuy when you run out!

The cowashing probably cannot remove all of the product, causing the plasticky feeling. I'd recommend cutting out a few products. I would remove the rinse-out, pomade, and the gel, leaving you with just the low poo, cowash, leave-in, and KCCC. My hair gets weighed down easily, so cowashing never worked for me. I only use a low poo, leave-in, and styler right now, and my hair is very happy!

Hope that helps(:
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2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
Growing out a CL bob. Currently at APL.
CG again as of 7/20/12


Cleanser: BR÷÷ Smoothing I.P.A. Shampoo
RO: Trader Joe's Nourish Spa Conditioner
LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
Styler: Beautiful Curls Gel for Wavy to Curly Hair

all-natural products, light moisture, humectants, argan oil
silk protein, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils/products, cowashing
I agree with Dresdendoll that you may be using too much product. Also, I think you need to use a sulfate-shampoo once to get rid of the buildup (like Suave clarifying shampoo). Then go from there.
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I think you might be using too much product. I use use Shea Moisture Restorative as my leave-in, and I definitely don't need to use an additional rinse-out with it because it's so moisturizing. You said you cowashed, used a rinse-out, applied a leave-in, then used two stylers and and once more to SOTC. 3 conditioners and 3 stylers would, at least for my hair, not play well because my hair gets--for lack of a better term--confused and overwhelmed when I use more than just a few products. Plus, that must get expensive when you have to rebuy when you run out!

The cowashing probably cannot remove all of the product, causing the plasticky feeling. I'd recommend cutting out a few products. I would remove the rinse-out, pomade, and the gel, leaving you with just the low poo, cowash, leave-in, and KCCC. My hair gets weighed down easily, so cowashing never worked for me. I only use a low poo, leave-in, and styler right now, and my hair is very happy!

Hope that helps(:
Originally Posted by dresdendoll
Thanks! I didn't even think about that. The reason I'd been using both a rinse out and a leave-in is because I was under the impression that after your cowash, you should apply a heavier conditioner to actually condition your hair, rinse most of that out, and then apply a bit more as a leave-in (I read that in Live Curly, Live Free). I used to just use one conditioner for that purpose, but I found I was using too much of it and it was too expensive for me to keep using that much, so I bought a cheaper conditioner as the rinse out. But I'll cut down to one and see if it helps. This morning I used just the Shea conditioner and scrunched in some of my gel. I've found that I can't use KCCC on its own because it doesn't have enough hold and my hair ends up looking fluffy and somewhat frizzy. But it really helps with curl activation. So I was using a gel on top of that to help with hold. It's so hard not to become a product junkie!
Laura
2C, medium-ish texture and density, med-high porosity, pretty much clueless about everything else
CG since Sept. 2012

Water rinse/condition daily; co-wash every other day; low-poo once a week.
Current products
SM Moisture Retention Shampoo, Suave Naturals (Coconut or Ocean Breeze), Giovanni Smooth as Silk Conditioner/Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner, KCCC, L'Oreal Everstyle Curl Defining Gel/Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee
I'm fairly new to CG, and also have 2C hair

The last time I co-washed, I had the exact same experience. I'd used a lot of gel over the course of the previous few days to revive my hair between washes, plus I always use post-shower leave-ins, although up until now I haven't been adding an additional rinse-out after co-washing. (I wash/co-wash only every four or five days because of the dryness and porosity)

I had this really gross sensation in the shower when I first got my hair wet of scads of gel liquefying and running down my neck and back all at once. GROSS! The conditioner seemed to cleanse my scalp OK, but it felt like I never got all the gel out, and the strands all seemed coated afterwards.

I still did the post-shower leave-in and detangle, and then used a lighter gel this time. My hair has been a lot more manageable this week, although the waves are looser and I'm afraid to put more gel in it at this point, because I think that while it may perk up my waves (good), it will just cause more gross build-up (bad).

I think wavies like us need to use low-poos a lot more frequently than curlies do. At this point, I'll co-wash if it's only been a day or so since my last wash or if I've used very little product since my last wash.

(Or *guilty look*) I'll co-wash instead of low-poo if I want my waves to look looser/straighter, which I've noticed I can do without heat now if I comb/rake my gels/conditioners/stylers through my hair instead of scrunching and comb my hair every morning and night whether it's wet or not - kind of a traitor thought if seen as an affront to the "embrace your natural texture at all times" philosophy, but I like the versatility I can get without having to use damaging heat appliances. I never make it "straight-straight" this way, because I don't want that,but I can loosen the waves down to a 2b-ish level if I continue to use CG products, co-wash instead of low-poo and comb rather than scrunch. Versatility rocks.

After a couple weeks of this, though, I sometimes have to cave and use a sulfate shampoo without silicones because I end up with buildup - I have hard water and fine wavy hair and all the mineral deposits and hair products overwhelm my fine strands completely. I just have to make sure to follow up the 'poo with a DT/very thick and rich conditioner so I don't get fluff city with no curl pattern.
2c, fine, extremely dense, color-treated, high porosity.

CG since 10/12
What kind of gel do you use? Does it contain any silicones? I've never had that feeling of gunky gel dripping down my hair when I wet it, but I cowash every 2 or 3 days and I do rinse my hair completely every day, so maybe that helps. Second day hair is impossible for me.
Laura
2C, medium-ish texture and density, med-high porosity, pretty much clueless about everything else
CG since Sept. 2012

Water rinse/condition daily; co-wash every other day; low-poo once a week.
Current products
SM Moisture Retention Shampoo, Suave Naturals (Coconut or Ocean Breeze), Giovanni Smooth as Silk Conditioner/Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner, KCCC, L'Oreal Everstyle Curl Defining Gel/Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee
I think you might be using too much product. I use use Shea Moisture Restorative as my leave-in, and I definitely don't need to use an additional rinse-out with it because it's so moisturizing. You said you cowashed, used a rinse-out, applied a leave-in, then used two stylers and and once more to SOTC. 3 conditioners and 3 stylers would, at least for my hair, not play well because my hair gets--for lack of a better term--confused and overwhelmed when I use more than just a few products. Plus, that must get expensive when you have to rebuy when you run out!

The cowashing probably cannot remove all of the product, causing the plasticky feeling. I'd recommend cutting out a few products. I would remove the rinse-out, pomade, and the gel, leaving you with just the low poo, cowash, leave-in, and KCCC. My hair gets weighed down easily, so cowashing never worked for me. I only use a low poo, leave-in, and styler right now, and my hair is very happy!

Hope that helps(:
Originally Posted by dresdendoll
Thanks! I didn't even think about that. The reason I'd been using both a rinse out and a leave-in is because I was under the impression that after your cowash, you should apply a heavier conditioner to actually condition your hair, rinse most of that out, and then apply a bit more as a leave-in (I read that in Live Curly, Live Free). I used to just use one conditioner for that purpose, but I found I was using too much of it and it was too expensive for me to keep using that much, so I bought a cheaper conditioner as the rinse out. But I'll cut down to one and see if it helps. This morning I used just the Shea conditioner and scrunched in some of my gel. I've found that I can't use KCCC on its own because it doesn't have enough hold and my hair ends up looking fluffy and somewhat frizzy. But it really helps with curl activation. So I was using a gel on top of that to help with hold. It's so hard not to become a product junkie!
Originally Posted by BellaChix
Oh, OK! That totally makes sense. Whatever works for you! And I completely understand about the product junkie part, hahha...
With KCCC, I had the same problem. Now, I look for products that can do more than one job at once instead of having to buy more to use with it. Now, I'm very happy with my routine, but keep in mind it took months to finally find it! hahaha, hence the product junkie Also, if your one conditioner is really good, you might now even need a rinse out! I use the SM Restorative as my leave-in, and it's so great that I don't need an RO. But that's just me! Everyone's hair is different(:

Good luck!
2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
Growing out a CL bob. Currently at APL.
CG again as of 7/20/12


Cleanser: BR÷÷ Smoothing I.P.A. Shampoo
RO: Trader Joe's Nourish Spa Conditioner
LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
Styler: Beautiful Curls Gel for Wavy to Curly Hair

all-natural products, light moisture, humectants, argan oil
silk protein, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils/products, cowashing
What kind of gel do you use? Does it contain any silicones? I've never had that feeling of gunky gel dripping down my hair when I wet it, but I cowash every 2 or 3 days and I do rinse my hair completely every day, so maybe that helps. Second day hair is impossible for me.
Originally Posted by BellaChix
I've been experimenting with different drugstore gels, all of them silicone-free and CG - L.A. Looks Nutra Curl, L'Oreal Studio Line Clean Gel, and L'Oreal Studio Line Melting Gel.

I think the main culprit may be the Melting Gel. I love it to pieces and have been using it for many years (I'm talking late 90s, when it was marketed specifically for waves and came in a wavy white container). It's very gloppy and watery compared to the other gels, a lot less sticky and with a light hold. It's really easy to overdo it because so much comes out of the tube at once and it spreads so easily/quickly through my hair. I like that I have no crunch or weigh-down, but it turns into gel soup in the shower.
2c, fine, extremely dense, color-treated, high porosity.

CG since 10/12
What kind of gel do you use? Does it contain any silicones? I've never had that feeling of gunky gel dripping down my hair when I wet it, but I cowash every 2 or 3 days and I do rinse my hair completely every day, so maybe that helps. Second day hair is impossible for me.
Originally Posted by BellaChix
I've been experimenting with different drugstore gels, all of them silicone-free and CG - L.A. Looks Nutra Curl, L'Oreal Studio Line Clean Gel, and L'Oreal Studio Line Melting Gel.

I think the main culprit may be the Melting Gel. I love it to pieces and have been using it for many years (I'm talking late 90s, when it was marketed specifically for waves and came in a wavy white container). It's very gloppy and watery compared to the other gels, a lot less sticky and with a light hold. It's really easy to overdo it because so much comes out of the tube at once and it spreads so easily/quickly through my hair. I like that I have no crunch or weigh-down, but it turns into gel soup in the shower.
Originally Posted by bookgirl
Oh weird! "Melting" gel just sounds scary!
Laura
2C, medium-ish texture and density, med-high porosity, pretty much clueless about everything else
CG since Sept. 2012

Water rinse/condition daily; co-wash every other day; low-poo once a week.
Current products
SM Moisture Retention Shampoo, Suave Naturals (Coconut or Ocean Breeze), Giovanni Smooth as Silk Conditioner/Tresemme Naturals Nourishing Moisture Conditioner, KCCC, L'Oreal Everstyle Curl Defining Gel/Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee
This past week my hairís been feeling kind of ďplastickyĒ. When it dries and I SOTC, the wet look doesnít seem to go away completely. It no longer feels crunchy, but some hairs still feel plasticky and just a bit oily and almost weighed down.
Originally Posted by BellaChix
As soon as I read that I thought "oh, KCCC" - this has done it to me sometimes too. I'm also in the 2s/starting to go 3 now I have some length again. I'm fine haired. I've found that I have to shampoo (low poo or no poo) regularly and that sometimes LI is not my friend. (I will also co wash without a RO sometimes, but I've found my hair gets weighted down very easily)

This is what I've been doing with the KCCC (as it gives me great curl definition/activation) - out of shower, tshirt just touching my hair to get the drippiness out - then KCCC over canopy, then some scrunched through (use a little bit).

Then a modified super soaker (very modified: I run my hands under the water and scrunch water through my hair to make it drippy) - then scrunch with a tshirt. I wait a little bit, (I am doing other post-shower things like toner, moisturizer, lotion, etc) - then add Foxy Curls Mousse (I've been hit or miss with mousses in the past and usually swear by gel, but try this stuff!!) - then I (breaking all the rules here) - blow my hair dry a little bit (no diffuser), I lightly cup my hair (almost a scrunch, not quite) to get the extra moisture out so my curls can start to form w/o the water weight. (I"ve tried to do this with a tshirt and just not the same effect, don't know why)

Then... I do more post shower stuff,make up, etc then diffuse. This seems to help my curls last all day, and gets rid of the plasticky feeling and the "wait why does my hair look wet" issues I sometimes get with KCCC.
Modified CG since Dec 2011

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