Doubting CG

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Hey guys and girls!
I've been following the CG routines for over a year now and my hair IS better. What caused me to doubt the programme a little is that
1. My hair started becoming matted at the top even though I spend almost half an hour detangling in the shower
2. It is way not as glossy as suggested in the pictures
3. I went to a hairdresser lately and she found that it was not possible to get a "clean" haircut without wetting the hair (I have never been to a curly salon but she herself has gorgeous curls.)

Anyone have similar/other problems or- even better- solutions? I know CG is like a religion to some, it used to be to me (kinda)

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I think you may just need to clarify.
2a/b
medium/thick
high porosity (from coloring)

Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
You have to do what works for you. I cowashed for six months and my hair was okay. Started using natural soap bars to cleanse when they were the rage on nc.com a little over two years ago--and my curls POPPED! That's why I consider myself modified CG.

Now, I make sure to use a cleansing conditioner (CJ Daily Fix) every 3-6 weeks for it's chelating properties. Occasionally use a lowpoo when I need to remove an ingredient my hair doesn't like, or every few months as I think I might need it. I agree with seamelody14. I'd try a lowpoo. If things don't improve, something stronger.

While some swear by dry cuts, my stylist of 30+ years cuts my hair wet. IMHO, I've never gotten a bad cut (and am asked who cuts my hair A LOT.)

It's good to know your hair properties. Here's a link to help you with yours Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics Once you determine your properties, you can look for folks with hair like yours and see what they use (in signatures) and do. It's the best place to start.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
OP, I know just what you mean. I have (had) been CG for almost two years. My hair has been great and I feel like I understand my hair so much better now and how to care for it....I began suspecting that it's not necessarily being strictly CG that improved my hair, but just learning about protein, moisture, detangling and styling methods, etc.

I was having a few issues that caused me to doubt CG, mainly:

- Not enough affordable, CG conditioners to detangle. I need more than just Tresseme Naturals, which stopped working after while (probably from using it too much, I need to rotate)

- My hair was overconditioning too much, even with regular protein treatments. This was causing breakage and was a hassle, I think with regular sulfate washes I can avoid this

- I keep seeing pictures/videos of beautiful hair, similar to mine....who are not CG.

- My hair is becoming a horror to detangle in general as it gets longer. I have 4a hair that I do not protective style AT ALL, except the occasional bun, and I refuse to spend more than 20 - 30 mins detangling in the shower. I'm wondering if I need the slickness of silicones just in order to detangle with less breakage.

Basically I am no longer really concerned about my hair being dry - it isn't - my only issue and cause of breakage is tangles.

SO, I bought some GFTN, (my favorite ever) plan to rotate that with the Tresseme and some Aussie Moist (which I think has a cone, not sure), still cowash, sulfate wash with Garnier PURE 2-in-1 Shampoo-Conditioner, and see what happens, lol. I did a protein last week after starting my new routine, and even though I had been using a cone conditiner, the treatment (Repair Me) still absorbed fully into my hair. So I'm also wondering if maybe the idea of cones totally blocking moisture, etc from your hair are exaggerated.


ALL THIS SAID, CG is a good concept. Our hair needs moisture and we all have been there with dry hair and know the result. Just look at the CG before and after thread, this method has helped ALOT of people. You need to do whatever you know/feel is best for your hair....no one knows your hair better than you in terms of how it feels and behaves. I'm experimenting because I'm tired of wondering what if, if this fails and my hair becomes a dull dry mess, I can always go back to CG secure in the knowledge that it really is necessary for me.

Good luck!


4a?? Maybe 3c...some 4b??? No clue

tiny s-waves, coils, and spirals


- Cleanser: CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
- Co-wash: Suave Naturals or V05
- RO: GVP Conditioning Balm or Tresemme Naturals
-Stylers: Garnier Pure Clean Gel, CJ Aloe Fix, KCCC


"I remember your childhood hair....flowin' wild at the county fair" - kelley stoltz

"and all the hours that you've been sitting at your vanity....may they carry you far from your misery" - conor oberst
You gotta go with whatever works best for you!
Gretchen
NaturallyCurly.com co-founder
3A

You are beautiful!
The best haircuts I have ever gotten were when my hair was dry and curly. Remember that not all products work the same on each head of hair. You have to find which products work best for you. When my hair is healthy, it has a nice shine to it. If it is looking dull, I know I have to change something up.
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After you have been here, studied the CG book and method, learned the things that you will read here-Whatever you do after all that will be from a much different perspective than that with which you started. You will be using products and methods with new knowledge and a better education. If you break the "rules" of CG, you will do so knowing exactly what you are doing and why. You will look at everything to do with your hair with new eyes. Your hair is as individual as you are. What works for you can only be determined by you.
Be Happy!

Type:2b/3ab?
Texture:Medium/fine
Porosity:Normal
Elasticity:Normal

Experimenting with too many products to name here. All this great info keeps my head spinning.
A couple of months ago, I went back to shampooing and low pooing, much less cowashing (maybe only once every couple of weeks, the other days I shampoo). This has helped my curls so much.
My curl pattern was much looser when following CG than I was used to, the shampooing has helped. I went back to products that used to work (using TIGI hi def curls shampoo and conditioner, sulfate free but have cones I think).

What has changed is I am much more aware of my hair, if it needs some protein or some moisture, I also use mainly CG products now.

At first I felt like I'd somehow failed at CG (stupid I realize) but my hair is looking better and better so I got over it.

I'm not opposed to going back to more CG type stuff as the winter approaches and my hair gets longer (length always affects my curl pattern- I get more curly with length), but for now this is working.

Do what makes your hair happy.

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Modified CG since Dec 2011
Growing out super short cut

High porosity, fine, unknown curl type, somewhere in the 2s at the moment
Mostly low poo
Current rotation includes:
Wash: Yes To Carrots -Condition: Yes to Cucumber, Nature's Gate Jojoba, One C - Stylers: Deva volumizing foam, Deva UDG B'Leave In, Foxy Curls Hi-Def Curl spray
I'm learning I'm a modified CG. I'm using the general rules and applying what works for me.

If I don't shampoo, use a lot of heavy conditioners, a lot of product, and go totally silicone free it just weighs my hair down, looks greasy, makes my thick hair very heavy and matted.

But if I shampoo (heavily watered down and only once maybe twice a week) use just a rich conditioner (cone free), then mousse (Suave - one cone (I think??)), and follow a plopping method, diffuse (moderate heat), and some finger styling...I can come out with nice curly waves and very little frizz.

I have huge issues with itchy scalp if I don't poo but IMO the once a week wash is a nice compromise I also do ACV about once a week to remove any build up and help my scalp.

I'm just happy for anyone who can find a routine that works for them
My hair likes being clean......it behaves so much better. I've always known that, even before understanding CG. I low-poo but I've been considering using normal gentle sulfates again b/c there were shampoos that i liked. I realized the BIGGEST thing my hair dislikes is strong non-water soluble silicones. I'm also still learning how much protein my hair can live with....it doesn't love protein but it can withstand some.
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3B Live Curly Live Free Analysis: Texture = Medium Porosity = Normal Elasticity = Normal
3b-ish... normal to low porosity....med. texture
Wash: Desert Essence Coconut shampoo, Acure argon shampoo
Deep Trestment: Nature's Nectars deep conditioner/styler
Condition: Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Nature's Gate pomegranate sunflower
LEAVE-IN:Nature's Nectars luv-n-a-bottle, Natures Gate pomegranate sunflower
STYLE: Nature's Nectars Sweet Shea butter blend, Ecostyler gel
hemp oil, jojoba oil
www.naturesnectars.net

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