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yennimarie 10-31-2012 11:47 PM

Anyone with low porosity, high density and medium/fine hair?
 
What do you do to get your hair moisturized?
What stylers do you use?

I am new to the texture typing system and through it my hair finally made sense. :)

I have high density, low porosity, medium & fine hair. What a weird mix. lol The fine strands makes it easily weighed down, but I have lots of strands. Kinda hard to style it. Always been that way. I never seemed to get away with the amount of styling products that most other could. Also, it seems to get build up easily: hence the low porosity...but still probably stayed dry.

Would be very interesting to talk to someone else with this type of hair. :) Get ideas.

guthak01 11-01-2012 02:57 PM

I have similar hair the only difference is that my hair isn't quite as thick; more medium density.

In order to get moisture in my hair, I do a moisturizing deep treatment, cover with a plastic cap, then a towel on top of that to trap in the heat.

I also use a leave in conditioner, Curl Junkie Smoothing Lotion.

As far as stylers go, my current favorites are Curly Hair Solutions Curl Keeper then Kinky-Curly Curling Custard layered on top.

I cannot cowash it just doesn't work for my hair. It leaves my hair weighted down and gross. Plus I can never seem to get all the conditioner out of my roots. I use two low-poos, Shea Moisture Moisture Retention and Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat. The Giovanni one is a lot harsher, so I use it about every third wash.

yennimarie 11-01-2012 06:08 PM

I can't do only co-washes either, or I do some and wash with a mild shampoo in between. Pretty much all products I use "sit on top" of my hair. It doesn't seem to get "sucked up" by it much at all, so my hair really gets weird feeling pretty fast on just co-washes.

Cremes, gels...leave-ins really weigh it down and it feels dirty kinda. Probably because it doesn't go in to the strands much. So I have to use very little amounts. I have used my conditioner as a leave in, and it isn't a very rich/heavy conditioner. Have to use a very small amount of it also. Then I am right now using jojoba oil, 1-2 drops, to get some definition and fight frizz. I always have frizz, mainly halo frizz. Fine strands and low porosity I am guessing.

I am going to try doing deep treatments like you do, and maybe it will really help with moisturizing the hair. How often do you do DT's? And with what? I am pondering using coconut oil. I have some allergies and react to many products (itches, get all red and warm), so I like to use natural unscented stuff. Few ingredients.


I can't layer products much really. The tiny amount of conditioner and few drops of oil works most days, but with other products my hair looks like a mess. And really weighed down. Takes forever to dry.

I have a mix of medium and fine strands. Tricky to style... I tried Curl Keeper, but my hair gets really stringy.

Thanks for posting. :)

adthomas 11-01-2012 06:45 PM

I have lp, high density, fine hair. It's a tricky walk at first. Like someone said heat helps. I use a hooded dryer to prepoo with EVOo before shampooing. If i am cowasing i let the warm water run over my hair for a few minutes first. All this is to open cuticles. All my conditioners are CG to slow down buildup. Im okay with cowashing because I use a strong shampoo TJ ttt to get all product out once a week. Layering used to drive me crazy because everything sat on my hair. I finally figured out to allow drying time in between layers. So after my ro, I towel blot my hair. Then I apply leave in. Wait five or more minutes then apply styler. Most of the year I do conditioner and oil styling. Because of humidity I like gel in summer. I like FSG best because i can put exactly what I want in it and not have all that other stuff like PVP that speeds up buildup. In the winter if I travel north I need something heavier but finding a curl cream that doesnt make my hair greasy has been hard. I do like GF pure clean cream. The tricky part has been figuring out how much li to use because my hair is fine so I can't use too much but I have a lot of hair so I can't use too little. That is why I only use conditioners as li. Enough hair milks to get to all my hair is greasy. I like TN or TJNS mixed with a little AVJ.
HTH!!

guthak01 11-01-2012 08:45 PM

I use a dt once a week. I just add oils and honey to gvpcb. If you have a conditioner you like that does not irritate you, you can just add oils and honey to it to make it more moisturizing.

As for curl keeper, it can give me stringy curls, but I scrunch out water with a microfiber towel before applying curl keeper, which keeps it from getting stringy.

I have found oils to be disastrous in my hair, unless they are added into some other product. They give me very stringy curls. How do you add them?
Also, oils do Weigh my hair down. I think this is because it traps the water underneath it, which in turn weighs down my hair, and makes it take even longer to dry.

You may want to try a mousse or a foam for styling. Mousses don't work for me, but the DevaCurl volumizing foam works really well. It does not weigh my hair down at all.

You could try skipping the oil, scrunching out water then adding a little bit of product. I think it is mostly about experimenting.

Also, since you have fine/medium hair, you could try a protein treatment. These perk up my curls and cut back on frizz, which allows me to use way less product.

yennimarie 11-01-2012 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adthomas (Post 2062645)
I have lp, high density, fine hair. It's a tricky walk at first. Like someone said heat helps. I use a hooded dryer to prepoo with EVOo before shampooing. If i am cowasing i let the warm water run over my hair for a few minutes first. All this is to open cuticles. All my conditioners are CG to slow down buildup. Im okay with cowashing because I use a strong shampoo TJ ttt to get all product out once a week. Layering used to drive me crazy because everything sat on my hair. I finally figured out to allow drying time in between layers. So after my ro, I towel blot my hair. Then I apply leave in. Wait five or more minutes then apply styler. Most of the year I do conditioner and oil styling. Because of humidity I like gel in summer. I like FSG best because i can put exactly what I want in it and not have all that other stuff like PVP that speeds up buildup. In the winter if I travel north I need something heavier but finding a curl cream that doesnt make my hair greasy has been hard. I do like GF pure clean cream. The tricky part has been figuring out how much li to use because my hair is fine so I can't use too much but I have a lot of hair so I can't use too little. That is why I only use conditioners as li. Enough hair milks to get to all my hair is greasy. I like TN or TJNS mixed with a little AVJ.
HTH!!




I tried FSG also and like it. Then the cold/winter came and it didn't work well after that. We have below freezing now lately and that is when I started using the jojoba oil instead. Not ideal, but better than without.



Yeah, that fine line of too little or too much... I struggle there. Mostly luck I think for me. ;) Some days I have to go re-wash and start over.

yennimarie 11-01-2012 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guthak01 (Post 2062711)
I use a dt once a week. I just add oils and honey to gvpcb. If you have a conditioner you like that does not irritate you, you can just add oils and honey to it to make it more moisturizing.

As for curl keeper, it can give me stringy curls, but I scrunch out water with a microfiber towel before applying curl keeper, which keeps it from getting stringy.

I have found oils to be disastrous in my hair, unless they are added into some other product. They give me very stringy curls. How do you add them?
Also, oils do Weigh my hair down. I think this is because it traps the water underneath it, which in turn weighs down my hair, and makes it take even longer to dry.

You may want to try a mousse or a foam for styling. Mousses don't work for me, but the DevaCurl volumizing foam works really well. It does not weigh my hair down at all.

You could try skipping the oil, scrunching out water then adding a little bit of product. I think it is mostly about experimenting.

Also, since you have fine/medium hair, you could try a protein treatment. These perk up my curls and cut back on frizz, which allows me to use way less product.


Thanks for the DT tips. I'll give it a try (adding honey and oil to my conditioner).

I leave in some of my conditioner and put 1-2 drops of oil at the ends of my hair mostly. Hold in the frizz. 2 drops can sometimes be too much, but my hair only reaches my chin (growing out a real bad cut). It is a very fine line with the oil. Coconut hasn't worked: too rich. It is so easy to get too much.
I have way better results if I put it in my hsir while it is wet than dry for some reason.

I could use flax seed gel in the fall, but haven't found anything good but the oil for winter.
Generally my hair is not as happy in the winter when it is below freezing. Hoping DT can help with that..


I am not able to handle any of the DevaCurl or DevaCare products I have tried so far. No-Poo worked the best, the rest gave me allergy issues. Most likely can't handle the mousse. : p


I have never done a protein treatment. Going to look in to that. : ) I have heard most have to do a DT just after. What is your experience with that?

Knotty_Maddy 11-01-2012 10:28 PM

I have similar hair. But, I don't really use natural products...except my DT, which is virgin coconut oil.

After poo and condish (usually Tigi Urban Antidotes, but I alternate with Renpure Argan Oil 'poo and Olive Tree argan oil condish), I use a LI/curl defining spray then Denman brush out, then add water (Super-Soaker method by Rudeechick) then add styling creme, then plop for 5 mins in a cotton t-shirt, then blot with a fresh dry cotton t-shirt, then replop in a dry t-shirt for another 5-10 mins, then pixiecurl diffuser dry. Perfect hair every time. :D

PS I never use any, *any* protein products - all my products are protein-free and moisture heavy. I do understand after a protein treatment you must use a follow up moisturizing, protein-free condish, or you will have hay for hair ;p

yennimarie 11-02-2012 01:53 PM

Thanks everyone! Now I have some ideas to try. : )

kathymack 11-02-2012 04:41 PM

My hair is similar, but no longer dense (age, thyroid and a medication I take.) I use small amounts of really rich products. Never have to DT. My hair loves protein. Do one PT a week and use a lot of products with protein. If you use a PT like CJ Repair Me, you may not need to DT. Many of us don't.

MissDarcei 11-02-2012 07:06 PM

Here's what I do, after I apply my conditioner I don't rinse then I apply a gel all in the shower. I step out of the shower, put on a plastic cap and blast it with heat from my dryer for a minute then let it sit for like 10 minutes. All the white spots from products just sitting on my low porosity hair are gone because they've seeped in from the heat. And when my hair dries its super defined and soft. If you're low porosity a little heat is actually your friend because it opens up your cuticle.
Because I'm also high density I always section my hair when I apply products so I get every hair.

kesalica 11-02-2012 08:58 PM

I have similar hair properties! Only difference is that I'm medium density. I agree with the statements about protein - my hair likes it. Like some others, my hair also rebukes most oils and shea butter for being too heavy. I recently revisited jojoba and instead of doing the L.O.C. method I switched it up and have been doing O.L.S. (oil, leave in, styler) and so far I'm liking the results. It really depends on the look I'm going for that determines what styler I use. I like Marie Deans mango cupuacu pudding for wet TO/BO's. On dry hair I prefer QB's twisting butter (a teeny bit goes a long way). I will say I don't use a lot of natural products - my hair doesn't seem to care for them with the exception of the two I just named. I almost forgot.. Oiudad's intense curl cream is another styler I'm fond of though a bit pricy. Hth!!

yennimarie 11-02-2012 10:50 PM

I tried doing a DT today with coconut oil. With some heat. Was kinda itchy (not allergy) when it was on and a bit hard to get out. Had to wash twice with mild shampoo and then I DT-ed a bit with my conditioner.
Wasn't expecting much but my hair has been happy today. :)

I am wondering though, how effective is it to DT and then have to shampoo after? Will it neutralize the moisture boost?
Might have been just the post-shampoo DT that did the trick...but my hair seemed so soft after washing the oil out...

adthomas 11-02-2012 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yennimarie (Post 2063472)
I tried doing a DT today with coconut oil. With some heat. Was kinda itchy (not allergy) when it was on and a bit hard to get out. Had to wash twice with mild shampoo and then I DT-ed a bit with my conditioner.
Wasn't expecting much but my hair has been happy today. :)

I am wondering though, how effective is it to DT and then have to shampoo after? Will it neutralize the moisture boost?
Might have been just the post-shampoo DT that did the trick...but my hair seemed so soft after washing the oil out...

I do what you did on dry hair but with EVOO. It and coconut oil can penetrate hair shaft. It can be itchy but I follow with a shampoo. a strong one so no need to do it twice. Actually many of us call this prepooing. It keeps the shampoo from being as stripping and lessens tangles. After shampoo i do my dc which i don't leave long or I get OC. Rinse out. Then go to li and styler.

yennimarie 12-04-2012 05:00 PM

Weird, now when winter came my 3a-3b curls go much straighter with product in my hair. Leave in weighs it down. I have been using a few drops of oil for definition. I hadn't noticed this before, earlier winters.
I have a hard time finding products I can use due to allergies and it has been worse lately, so maybe this is why: not being able to use more than oil or leave in, so nothing to hold the curls.

I think I need to try to find a deep treatment "hat" with gel packs tp heat up in the micro so I can get some moisture into my hair. I haven't been using a leave in lately.


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