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PRINCETON 11-07-2012 08:06 PM

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After almost 2 years of completely natural products and routines I finally decided which conditioner and shampoo I will use to start back on cones.

The cone free method has been more damaging to my hair than anything simply because the products just don't add enough creaminess and slipperiness that my long curls need to stay tangle free and moisturized.

I can always add extra coconut oil and vitamins to the products but I have chosen to go back to cones using the Herbal Essence Honey I'm Strong system:
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The conditioner was $7 and the shampoo was $7 at Walmart :( but they are 33.8 Fl Oz each.

I'm approaching my 3 years of my 10 year hair growth challenge starting with a skin bald head and I don't think I will be able to make it with luxurious hair if I don't add that extra slip (cones) back to my routine.

My 3rd year will be in march 2013. The longest part of my hair currently measures 22-23 inches but I've had 2 setbacks from the natural products not adding enough slip so I had to cut hair off while detangling my curls which means my hair could be longer by now even though it is down to my waist after only 2.5 years.

I still might use the Tresemme naturals conditioner as a treatment every other day or something like that.

I can't remember the last time I used regular shampoo so this is going to be nerve wrecking but I will find a way. Maybe I will need to still only shampoo my scalp and let it rinse out through the hair. My only problem is why the heck are there cones in the shampoo?

I already found out there is sodium hydroxide in the conditioner as a PH balancer but I only hope this junk doesn't start smelling like perm in my hair.

Does anybody use this as their leave-in conditioner?? I will try it that way and update this thread on the results. I usually start with dripping wet hair and load buckets of Tresemme naturals in and let it air dry. I will use this new conditioner the same way but my guess is I won't have to use that much because of the cones (halfway down the ingredient list)

If anybody else uses this shampoo and conditioner and has tips then let me know. I also grabbed these 2 large clamps so that I can learn to take care of my hair in sections. I usually just treat it as 1 big unit never really sectioning it but its too long and takes forever to work with that way.

PRINCETON 11-07-2012 10:19 PM

I wanted to add to this thread that the conditioner claims to protect and mimic the hair's natural "F-LAYER"... Whatever that is lol

So I did some research and apparently the hair has a natural layer of fatty lipids or something that prevents moisture from getting into the shaft and through the open cuticle. Which also means it prevents moisture from getting out of the shaft (or maybe not).

This makes me question if there is a certain level of moisture that can be damaging to the hair and its also weird to keep saying hair is "dead" if in fact it is some kind of organism that continues to moderate and manage its own moisture levels.

Corrina777 11-07-2012 11:10 PM

Hair really is dead in the most technical and accurate sense. There is no life on a cellular level at all. The absorption/loss of moisture isn't regulated as much as it is consequential to strand porosity balanced with environmental humidity (or lack thereof). Lower porosity hair resists moisture changes because the cuticle lies very flat, with little room for moisture to enter or exit. Higher porosity hair has a more roughened or opened cuticle, so moisture moves in and out more quickly.

As far as damage due to moisture, it is theoretically possible, but probably very highly unlikely (it's much more common for damage to be caused during the drying process - IAGirl had an amazing blog explaining how heat- in the sense of the very rapid drying of hair- can cause damage to the cuticle).

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PRINCETON 11-08-2012 01:32 AM

Definitely hair is dead but we seem to treat it as if it still needs tender loving care.

We describe it as though it "reacts" and in that sense we take its sensitivity into consideration.

PRINCETON 11-08-2012 01:37 AM

I ended up resurrecting my DENMAN brush after saturating my hair with water and conditioner.

Haven't used the DENMAN in about a year and I was reminded of how fluid it seemed to just comb through the hair. Will start using it daily again.

This conditioner must be extremely moisturizing because my fingers are raisins - as though I had them soaking in a bathtub for hours. I wonder if this will have the same affect to my scalp lol wrinkly (yet moisturized) scalp lol

Tomorrow morning I will rinse out and then style with it as a leave in styler and put into a single long braid to the back.

PRINCETON 11-08-2012 01:36 PM

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Next morning 90% dry after leaving the conditioner in my hair overnight. I guess I have to shampoo the cones out every day and get back into that cycle but having less tangles is worth it.

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PRINCETON 11-08-2012 05:48 PM

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Hair finally dried and this is how my ends turned out. Just the Honey I'm Strong conditioner and DENMAN brush.
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GoddessCurls 11-09-2012 01:22 PM

I only need to shampoo with sulphates infrequently....and I use cones...Aussie moist...I use honey I'm strong too...in fact going to Walmart tomorrow....may pick up a big bottle. I still get by with no poo most of the time...if/ when I shampoo I used basic stuff like vo5 clarifying like ( smells divine) but I don't use it much...maybe once a week or once every two weeks. Anymore and I start to get greasy roots.

Knotty_Maddy 11-09-2012 01:32 PM

Great looking curls you have there, Prince! :) I love my Denman, too...always gives me awesome clumps! And now I want to try Honey I'm Strong lol!

PRINCETON 11-09-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoddessCurls (Post 2067556)
I only need to shampoo with sulphates infrequently....and I use cones...

This morning I used the shampoo part and it left my hair feeling too soft like cotton. I'm gonna start oiling my hair the night before washing.


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Originally Posted by Knotty_Maddy (Post 2067567)
Great looking curls you have there, Prince! :) I love my Denman, !

Thanks ;) I feel like I have more options now that I broke away from not using cones. I just wish I knew how to style and not wear buns and braids all the time.

ravenm721 11-09-2012 06:22 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean. I really hate the lack of slip tbat I get with cone free conditioners tok when co-washing. A lot of people rave about Tresemme Naturals and V05 products, but those give my hair little slip..which increases detangling time in my case. The only cone free oroducts that I can get down with are products from the "Giovanni line"

Good to know that the Herbal Essences Honey Im Strong worked for you though. Ive never used that one..but have heard many good things about it. Ive always loved Herbal Essences before my cone free days and might return back to using them myself. Gotta do what works best for you.

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GoddessCurls 11-09-2012 06:36 PM

I gotta say...I love the cones! In always looking for ones that don't build up too bad on me. Aussie moist works well....and smells great. My hair is so frigging curly...and tangle prone I need slip or I'd never get out of the shower. I'd literally cry while trying to detangle without cones before.

Knotty_Maddy 11-09-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON (Post 2067633)
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Originally Posted by GoddessCurls (Post 2067556)
I only need to shampoo with sulphates infrequently....and I use cones...

This morning I used the shampoo part and it left my hair feeling too soft like cotton. I'm gonna start oiling my hair the night before washing.


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Originally Posted by Knotty_Maddy (Post 2067567)
Great looking curls you have there, Prince! :) I love my Denman, !

Thanks ;) I feel like I have more options now that I broke away from not using cones. I just wish I knew how to style and not wear buns and braids all the time.

you can style curly hair...? Who knew! Lol! I just let mine hang, or I bun it. I don't know of any other way...

ETA - 'Cones, and a Denman. Or detangling does *not* happen ;p

GoddessCurls 11-09-2012 07:02 PM

I still feel weird brushing wet hair. My mom always told me not too

PRINCETON 11-09-2012 07:24 PM

I'm trying hard to not use any tools at all but it gets crazily tangly after 2 days of just conditioning.

8 more years in my 10 year grow challenge but I'm gonna try another challenge of throwing away all tools and rubber bands.

I use those tiny rubber bands for my pony tails but When it's time to remove them I use scissors to cut the rubber band out but I want to just stop using them.

GoddessCurls 11-09-2012 09:21 PM

Ooh....and no rubber bands...she used the covered ones in my hair when I was a kid....but now that I'm curly...no small elastics at all. They do bad things to me

Knotty_Maddy 11-09-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON (Post 2067732)
I'm trying hard to not use any tools at all but it gets crazily tangly after 2 days of just conditioning.

8 more years in my 10 year grow challenge but I'm gonna try another challenge of throwing away all tools and rubber bands.

I use those tiny rubber bands for my pony tails but When it's time to remove them I use scissors to cut the rubber band out but I want to just stop using them.

Denmans are good, and crazy elastics are bad ;p use the kind covered with material and with no metal bits. They are hair friendly :)

GoddessCurls 11-09-2012 11:54 PM

I still can't use the covered ones up high in my hair like to make a ponytail ...it would get caught.

So brushing curly hair wet with this denman is really not damaging?

Knotty_Maddy 11-10-2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GoddessCurls (Post 2067817)
I still can't use the covered ones up high in my hair like to make a ponytail ...it would get caught.

So brushing curly hair wet with this denman is really not damaging?

Use a ribbon, it won't disrupt your curl or break your hair :) or, use a leather thong. Or, use a hair brooch - it is a curved piece of metal or leather with a stick or prong that goes through it to hold you hair in place.

Brushing your curly wet hair with a Denman won't hurt you. please watch the SuperSoaker video :) http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ideo-link.html

This technique rescued me from horrendous, heart-eating frizz, and gave me awesome clumps! :D

GoddessCurls 11-10-2012 12:29 AM

I may have to try it.


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