5 year CG looking for lower maintenance options

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I've been CG for 5 years, and it has allowed my highlighted 2c/3a hair (that I was about to chop off back then in frustration) to grow CRAZY long (almost waist length) and healthy. I only cut it once, maybe twice, a year, and I'm about to go for my annual chop to bring it back to around bra strap length.

The thing about my CG routine that's starting to wear on me is how high-maintenance and time consuming it is. Granted, I have a lot of length which doesn't help the cause, but the thing I'd have to say I'm the most envious of my straight-haired friends is how EASY and FAST their routines are. They can grab any shampoo and conditioner, towel dry, quick blow dry, maybe hit with a straightener and DONE. If I've been at the beach or outside sweating, and all of sudden plans come up, I can't just wash my hair and go. I need almost 2 full hours to be ready. With that, here is my current routine:

Shampoo: Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat
Conditioner: Nature's Gate Persimmon Rosemary Geranium Condish

Comb out in shower with conditioner

Leave In: Same Nature's Gate condish
Styler: AG Re:coil curl creme
Gel: Bioterra Firm Hold (from Sally's)

Plop while I wash my face and apply body lotion

Duckbill clips at roots

Diffuse with PixieCurl method


It's exhausting. And takes forever.

I love my curls, I do, but I need a change.

That's where you all come in!!

I'm looking to maybe try going back to sulfates and silicones. Partially because it would be nice to be able to stroll into any drugstore when I need shampoo and conditioner, and partially because while I LOVE my curls, I want to see if I can achieve more of a relaxed wavy look. Especially up towards my roots... so my hair would be smoother at the top, with some wavy curliness towards the ends. I live at the beach, and I want that beachy hair look, and the low maintenance routine that goes with it!

I'd appreciate any inexpensive, readily available product suggestions (think Garnier, Tresseme... stuff you can find at Target). I want to try simple products like that, and just layering CK over it (a la Veronica Meza).

Here are some pics to give you an idea of my curls (and length):
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The grass is always greener...... Changing products isn't likely to change your curl pattern. I'd love to have bigger, looser curls but my 3B/C hair is what it is. My current routine is similar to yours. I'm loving it. It wasn't all that long ago that I was using sulfates, cones, blow dryers and flat irons. It took forever but my hair looked great. For a while. If there was no humidity. And no wind. And I didn't sweat. I rarely made it through the day much less achieve 2nd or 3rd day hair without going through the whole routine again.

Currently, my hair doesn't fit my ideal picture. Neither do my thighs. But my hair is healthy and I'm no longer waging a daily war against a force I can't defeat.

I'm a huge advocate of doing what works for you. If using sulfates and cones gives you the results you want, then by all means, do it. Experiment with different products and routines. Let us know if you find something that works!
3B, fine, normal to low porosity
Modified CG since June 2010
HGs: FSG, anything with glycerin, Tresemme Naturals conditioner, Curls Like Us cloths, satin pillowcases.
Sorry i cant recommend products, i recently went cg and am loving the none silicone and sulfate things. But i had to come say how absolutely gorgeous your hair is!!!!! I hope my length can get their some day. One product i do use on days i want to wear my hair looser is curly hair solutions extenzz. It helps loosen the curl pattern temporarily.

Oh and I can also relate.my hair is crazy hi maintenance. There are days i wish i can just wash and be done quick,

Diane
NYC/NJ
2c/3a..fine/regular texture..normal porosity..low elasticity..high density..cherub curls

faves: - deva, jessicurl, ouidad...major product junkie
mod cg method as of 10/2012
goals: grow out bad layered cut & grow hair to waist!
last softener: Sept 2010
last trim/roots color: 9/5/12..1/12/13 trim // 11/17/12..1/19/13 color

youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/curlywavydiane
I guess I dont see what it is you think cones/sulphates would change?

I have an all drugstore product regimen, if that's part of what bugs you! There are CG products in stores, they just aren't labeled as such.

If you want to keep your curls, consider not only a shorter length, but also some layers. They would lighten the weight and put some volume back in. They also can help with drying time.

Unless you are planning to start straightening, there's not a lot you can do. I don't think anything will loosen your curls, though you can adjust you technique to pull them out some while styling.

But if low-maintenance is what you are going for, the best suggestion I have is short (BSL at most) and layers.

HTH!
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2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Your hair is incredible!

If I were you, I wouldn't change a thing
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Herbal essences honey I'm strong and hydralicious reconditioning collections and my coarse 3b hair loves it. I however only wash every week and only style every 3 days. HTH yu
I'm with Jas with this one, especially as it regards layers. My hair used to be longer than yours and is/was about twice as thick (took forever to dry). But when I took off a little length and added layers, it took a lot of time off my regimen. My hair dries faster too now. One word of caution about layers though: layers may also bring out the curls even more. When all one length (like yours), mine was 3a/3b. Now it's a strong 3b/3c (which I love but it could be someone else's idea of a nightmare).

If you don't mind going red, or brown, or some unpredictable color in between, henna tends to loosen curls over time. It's natural, safe and can be very conditioning. ... Or it can be very drying. It also looks like dung, smells like the grass the horse shat upon, takes forever to apply and is generally a high maintenance treatment. (Last time I attempted henna, the smell and sheer weight of it on my head triggered a migraine and I ended up puking on my ankles and toes while rinsing it out in the tub. It was like wading in a puddle of poop and pineapple chunks. Never again. Sorry for the tangent but it felt so good to get that out of my system). So yeah, henna is one possibility.
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Have you tried just cutting out a couple steps and see how your hair turns out? Maybe skip the plop and one of the product steps? If you want looser curls, I see no need to plop or add the curl crème.



I watched the Veronica Meza youtube video with her using Curl Keeper and kept wondering if she just threw the Curl Keeper in her hair,srunched and diffused (without the sectioning), if her hair would end uplooking pretty much the same. I suspect many of the differences we notice when we do A versus B are probably pretty minor and most other people aren’t noticing the difference in our hair. Having healthy hair, a good cut, and a good leave-in (to eliminate frizz) are probably the main things. Everything else is maybe just gravy.
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High Density, High Porosity, Medium Texture, 3B with some kink

DT: SS DDMT - HG
Lo-Poo: No Preference
Co-wash: CJ Smoothing Conditioner
RO: CJ Strengthening Conditioner - HG
LI: CK Satin Roots
Styler: CK Coil Jam
Other Likes: Castor Oil; CK Twist Whip, MD CSC
Dislikes: Wheat Protein; Aloe LIs or Stylers

It looks like you already have beach waves. Your hair looks wavy - not really curly, so I am a little lost regarding the style you're looking for. As for your routine, I second (or third?) the idea of losing some length and adding layers to help with volume so you can lose the duckbill clips and plopping. Then your routine should be low-maintenance. Just keep your hair at least shoulder length.
3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
I agree you should try to see if all those steps are even necessary.

My girls and I are mod-CG for about one month now, and we all need to keep it quick and simple. Now way are my 11 and 14 year olds going to spend hours on their hair (okay maybe my 11, but then she already takes 1/2 hour showers and we just don't have the time).

So, we use Loreal sulfate free shampoo, Tresemme Naturals or Suave Naturals conditioner (detangling then if needed or comb out after shower), a little of one of those same conditioners for a leave-in. Scrunch dry with a tea towel. I use mousse (Herbal Essences Set Me Up) and maybe a little spray gel (Garnier with shea- forget the name). The girls usually don't use anything else and we just air dry. If I dry crunchy, I run my fingers through it or scrunch it till it's softer.

It's all drugstore product in brands that you mentioned and doesn't take any longer than a regular shampoo/condition/scrunch in a product routine. For second day I have some diluted conditioner in a spray bottle for detangling if needed, otherwise pick through, spritz with water, and scrunch. Works for us, maybe it's not perfectly smoothed and formed curls, but it's okay.

Last edited by bjsch; 12-04-2012 at 09:55 AM.
the grass is always greener...... Changing products isn't likely to change your curl pattern. I'd love to have bigger, looser curls but my 3b/c hair is what it is. My current routine is similar to yours. I'm loving it. It wasn't all that long ago that i was using sulfates, cones, blow dryers and flat irons. It took forever but my hair looked great. For a while. If there was no humidity. And no wind. And i didn't sweat. I rarely made it through the day much less achieve 2nd or 3rd day hair without going through the whole routine again.

currently, my hair doesn't fit my ideal picture. Neither do my thighs. But my hair is healthy and i'm no longer waging a daily war against a force i can't defeat.

i'm a huge advocate of doing what works for you. If using sulfates and cones gives you the results you want, then by all means, do it. Experiment with different products and routines. Let us know if you find something that works!
Originally Posted by mhen76
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, so funny, and so true.

I'm not really trying to wage a war on my curls, I guess I'm just looking for tips and tricks to make my routine shorter and easier, and to maybe give my style a change. If that means trying a few non-CG products, I'm all for it right now. Worst case scenario, it doesn't work at all, and I go back to my routine for the meantime.
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I guess I dont see what it is you think cones/sulphates would change?

I have an all drugstore product regimen, if that's part of what bugs you! There are CG products in stores, they just aren't labeled as such.

If you want to keep your curls, consider not only a shorter length, but also some layers. They would lighten the weight and put some volume back in. They also can help with drying time.

Unless you are planning to start straightening, there's not a lot you can do. I don't think anything will loosen your curls, though you can adjust you technique to pull them out some while styling.

But if low-maintenance is what you are going for, the best suggestion I have is short (BSL at most) and layers.

HTH!
Originally Posted by Jas76
I would LOVE some drugstore CG suggestions, if you have any that you've found are just awesome.

The only thing is, co-washing doesn't work well with my hair. Low-poo at absolute minimum. I feel like most people's drugstore regiments include Suave Naturals as a co-wash.

Lately, I've been sneaking a nickel-sized dallop of my clarifying shampoo (which I used to use only once or twice a month) in with my Giovanni TTTT much more often than I should... it's like my hair is craving sulfates. It feels so much better... cleaner, lighter, shinier.... when I use it. But then, I have be generous with my conditioner.

My hair still has layers in it, they're just loooong right now. The layers are what allows me to go so long in between cuts.

The length really is a little out of hand right now....
Herbal essences honey I'm strong and hydralicious reconditioning collections and my coarse 3b hair loves it. I however only wash every week and only style every 3 days. HTH yu
Originally Posted by Amethyst_Kisses
Thanks for the suggestions, I will def look into those!!
Have you tried just cutting out a couple steps and see how your hair turns out? Maybe skip the plop and one of the product steps? If you want looser curls, I see no need to plop or add the curl crème.



I watched the Veronica Meza youtube video with her using Curl Keeper and kept wondering if she just threw the Curl Keeper in her hair,srunched and diffused (without the sectioning), if her hair would end uplooking pretty much the same. I suspect many of the differences we notice when we do A versus B are probably pretty minor and most other people aren’t noticing the difference in our hair. Having healthy hair, a good cut, and a good leave-in (to eliminate frizz) are probably the main things. Everything else is maybe just gravy.
Originally Posted by tricello
It looks like you already have beach waves. Your hair looks wavy - not really curly, so I am a little lost regarding the style you're looking for. As for your routine, I second (or third?) the idea of losing some length and adding layers to help with volume so you can lose the duckbill clips and plopping. Then your routine should be low-maintenance. Just keep your hair at least shoulder length.
Originally Posted by multicultcurly

Would you all say the leave in is the most important part of reducing frizz? Like, maybe trying just a leave in and some sort of light styler? Or would the CK act as both of those?

Hmmm, I like the idea of skipping the plop and losing the duckbills and the curl creme. I've been plopping mostly to keep my hair out of my way until I'm ready to deal with it, and it helps a little bit with removing excess water. I wonder if I used just a normal hair towel if it would promote "less" curling?

The style I'm trying to go for is having it less curly up towards my roots, but still having body and waves. I feel like it would look shinier, too, which would be nice. Kind of like this pic of Gisele (who, of course, has a completely different hair type, prob has extensions in, and has a full team at her disposal. But you get the idea...)

Even the straight-ish crown with curls towards the bottom, a la Taylor Swift would be nice....

Thanks so much ladies!!
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I do co-wash some, but I low-poo every week. In the summer I do it more often!

Here are my drug store products:

Poo's:
Shea Moisture (very low poo)

Organix Shea (more cleansing low poo)

Johnson's head to toe for clarifying - (low sls, and I mix it with my low poo or some oil or condish to protect my hair. Really any sls poo with no cones would work, this is just what I had on hand!)

RO's: (skipping co-washes since you don't use them!)

GVP conditioning balm (from Sally's)
Ion reconstructor (from Sally's)
Vo5 Shea cashmere MIXED WITH
Tresemme Nat's
Shea Moisture Masque

I'm soon going to try Giovanni - I hear it's a great line.

I also add oil and ACV (and sometimes honey) to my RO to use it as a DT.

LI:
Shea Moisture retention condish
Or any of my RO's

Stylers:
LA Looks Sport gel or Power Spikes
Herbal Essence Set Me Up gel
Aussie Instant Freeze gel
GF curl spray gel

Sometimes I use a little GF flexible hold hair spray to perk up my curls.

Soon trying Shea Moisture curling souffle.

I also have other things I use on occassion for my hair's special needs - lol! Treatments, oils... That sort of thing. Let me know if you need any of that info. I don't know your hair properties or needs (protein, etc).


Keep in mind I don't use ALL this stuff at one time!! Lol!! Pick one from each category! Lol!! (maybe two with the stylers).

HTH! Let me know if you have questions!!

And one more suggestion - maybe try the cut with a few added layers and see how your hair acts for a while before you decide on drastic changes in CGing or style. That way you can determine if it's mainly the length causing you issues or what!
And if you do go with cones and decide you don't like it - it's not starting over! You just wash once and go back to CG. It's not like your hair goes back to how it was before you ever started CG!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Oh! Just saw your new post!

If you want a straight-ish crown, just loose the duckbills! You can still plop while getting dressed - I do the same thing. But dot flip your head upside down while styling. I tip mine forward and style/scrunch, and don't tip it over until I plop. If I want root curl I have to use duck bills. If I don't use them I won't get it. (I alternate between the two depending on what I'm going for that day. I also sometimes flip my head over when styling for a change - but not that often.)
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Would you all say the leave in is the most important part of reducing frizz? Like, maybe trying just a leave in and some sort of light styler? Or would the CK act as both of those?

Hmmm, I like the idea of skipping the plop and losing the duckbills and the curl creme. I've been plopping mostly to keep my hair out of my way until I'm ready to deal with it, and it helps a little bit with removing excess water. I wonder if I used just a normal hair towel if it would promote "less" curling?

The style I'm trying to go for is having it less curly up towards my roots, but still having body and waves. I feel like it would look shinier, too, which would be nice. Kind of like this pic of Gisele (who, of course, has a completely different hair type, prob has extensions in, and has a full team at her disposal. But you get the idea...)

Even the straight-ish crown with curls towards the bottom, a la Taylor Swift would be nice....

Thanks so much ladies!!
Originally Posted by mickalia
I hate to tell you that both of those styles are created with heat. That's why they look so perfect. However, I agree that you will have no problem achieving a flatter top without the clips and plopping. Most people complain about the opposite.

I don't do this because I want less curl, but more just as a nervous habit. A lot of times throughout the day I finger comb through my curls and it definitely loosens them up. I can style as usual and get away with a decent amount of finger combing before it gets too frizzy. Maybe you can try that!
2b/c wavy modified CG since July 2012
medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
hair likes protein, doesn't like oils, easily OC'd

low poo: JCHCC, CJGCS
RO/co-wash/LI: YTCarrots, DB Pumpkin Seed
stylers: a bunch of stylers that are all pretty much the same (KCCC, UFDCM, CRCM, CKCJ) or ArcAngel if I need more hold
DT/PT: CJRM, CNPF
Oh! Just saw your new post!

If you want a straight-ish crown, just loose the duckbills! You can still plop while getting dressed - I do the same thing. But dot flip your head upside down while styling. I tip mine forward and style/scrunch, and don't tip it over until I plop. If I want root curl I have to use duck bills. If I don't use them I won't get it. (I alternate between the two depending on what I'm going for that day. I also sometimes flip my head over when styling for a change - but not that often.)
Originally Posted by Jas76

Thanks Jas, for all of your product recs!! I always thought duckbill clips were for root lift, I didn't realize it affected the amount of curl in the crown.

I hate to tell you that both of those styles are created with heat. That's why they look so perfect. However, I agree that you will have no problem achieving a flatter top without the clips and plopping. Most people complain about the opposite.

I don't do this because I want less curl, but more just as a nervous habit. A lot of times throughout the day I finger comb through my curls and it definitely loosens them up. I can style as usual and get away with a decent amount of finger combing before it gets too frizzy. Maybe you can try that![/QUOTE]


It's funny, cause I'm always nervous about finger combing my curls (out of years of trying NOT to touch them) but anytime someone gets their hands on my hair and runs their fingers through it, it always looks more natural and sort of refreshed. Time to break some habits!

Before I go all crazy and complete abandon my CG routine, I'll wait until after my cut this Friday, and try cutting back on the curl creme and try styling without duckbill clips. I may pick up one of the recommended shampoos and conditioners, just to TRY to find a diff drugstore option to the products I've used for so long.

Any tips/tricks/product recs to get that same sort of root lift that duckbill clips achieve? I'm curious about the Curl Keeper Roller Jaw Clamps... I read somewhere on here you can use them in dry hair and just clip the roots for 10 minutes to give them lift?
First, I use a drugs store routine also, except that at times I use Deva foam. Second, I use roller jaw clips and love them. I do use them on wet hair, and you wont like this part, but I put them in and LEAVE THEM ALONE, because adjusting them causes frizz. I do think you could use them on damp hair at the roots for lift; that is why I started using them, I HATED the metal clips and the Deva clipping routine, I think that part is insanity. The RJ clips are very fast. Third, I guess I dont see why you cannot braid your hair - let it dry - and get those beachy waves!
I was hating the routine also, so I pared it down to the minimum. I CO wash, seal, and sometimes use gel or LI, but I always seal, then I put my hair in a turban while I do my usual after shower/morning routine. After ten to thirty minutes, depening on how much time I have, I let my hair out of the turban and clip just the front of my hair so it stays back and out of my face. I usually have a few more minutes before I leave for my drive to work and I let my hair continue to dry untouched on my commute.

When I get to work, I take out my clips, and even though my hair is damp in looks dampfantastic! I simply let my hair continue to dry as I carry out my morning.

It doesn't take any more time really than if I just showered, make-up and breakfasted.

Here's a picture of my hair - just to show you my length and curl.


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