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Old 12-21-2012, 05:20 PM   #1
 
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Default Co-washing weighing you down? dilute conditioner for fine hair fix

I was quite frustrated because I thought that the no-poo thing was not working for me because I have fine, short 2c/3a hair and all the CO washing was just making my hair flat at the roots from the weight of the conditioner and I had greasy roots as well, despite the fact that I tried to make sure I washed it all out. I bought a lighter conditioner and that still didn't help the problem. Alas, I just diluted the conditioner in a small bottle with some water (which surprisingly foamed a little bit even though there aren't any detergents in it whatsoever) and it worked perfectly, possibly even ridiculously awesome. My hair is not weighed down at all anymore, its fluffy, voluminous, hydrated and frizz free. I could not be happier.

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I was quite frustrated because I thought that the no-poo thing was not working for me because I have fine, short 2c/3a hair and all the CO washing was just making my hair flat at the roots from the weight of the conditioner and I had greasy roots as well, despite the fact that I tried to make sure I washed it all out. I bought a lighter conditioner and that still didn't help the problem. Alas, I just diluted the conditioner in a small bottle with some water (which surprisingly foamed a little bit even though there aren't any detergents in it whatsoever) and it worked perfectly, possibly even ridiculously awesome. My hair is not weighed down at all anymore, its fluffy, voluminous, hydrated and frizz free. I could not be happier.

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That's a great tip. I find co-washing also weighs my hair down too. Definitely going to try that!
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I was quite frustrated because I thought that the no-poo thing was not working for me because I have fine, short 2c/3a hair and all the CO washing was just making my hair flat at the roots from the weight of the conditioner and I had greasy roots as well, despite the fact that I tried to make sure I washed it all out. I bought a lighter conditioner and that still didn't help the problem. Alas, I just diluted the conditioner in a small bottle with some water (which surprisingly foamed a little bit even though there aren't any detergents in it whatsoever) and it worked perfectly, possibly even ridiculously awesome. My hair is not weighed down at all anymore, its fluffy, voluminous, hydrated and frizz free. I could not be happier.

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Good to hear you are getting results.

The cationic surfactants are detergents, you could probably argue the fatty alcohols are as well given they are emulsifiers (mix oil and water). I find I need to get a light lather up to achieve hair that feels really clean, without that I am just conditioning not washing my hair. Product needs to stop feeling slimy and start feeling more like cream from a pressurised can to be really cleansing, then I can remove even the heaviest oiling and hair is literally left 'squeaky'.
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Diluting also works if your hair is high density. I always dilute to get better distribution with less conditioner. I can wash with about an ounce of conditioner + 4 oz. of water vs. probably 3 oz. of conditioner alone. I get just as clean and don't waste conditioner (and my septic system is happier with less conditioner, too).
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Opasna what conditioner are you using for a co wash? Firefox when you cowash do you really have to massage your hair to get it clean. Im very lazy and dont want to spend a long time massaging to get my hair clean. Can you get your scalp just as clean with low poo as conditioner washing with the same amout of massaging?
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Opasna what conditioner are you using for a co wash? Firefox when you cowash do you really have to massage your hair to get it clean. Im very lazy and dont want to spend a long time massaging to get my hair clean. Can you get your scalp just as clean with low poo as conditioner washing with the same amout of massaging?
IME I have to massage more with cowashing than low-pooing.
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Opasna, what conditioner are you using and what is the ratio of water to conditioner?
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Opasna what conditioner are you using for a co wash? Firefox when you cowash do you really have to massage your hair to get it clean. Im very lazy and dont want to spend a long time massaging to get my hair clean. Can you get your scalp just as clean with low poo as conditioner washing with the same amout of massaging?
I'm more conscientious about scrubbing when I CO. I tend to be lazy when I use shampoo, and I shouldn't, because I need to scrub a bit to help prevent scalp buildup and itchiness. But that's more for scalp cleanliness than overall hair cleanliness, if that makes sense. I think some scalp massage is important no matter what you use.
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I was quite frustrated because I thought that the no-poo thing was not working for me because I have fine, short 2c/3a hair and all the CO washing was just making my hair flat at the roots from the weight of the conditioner and I had greasy roots as well, despite the fact that I tried to make sure I washed it all out. I bought a lighter conditioner and that still didn't help the problem. Alas, I just diluted the conditioner in a small bottle with some water (which surprisingly foamed a little bit even though there aren't any detergents in it whatsoever) and it worked perfectly, possibly even ridiculously awesome. My hair is not weighed down at all anymore, its fluffy, voluminous, hydrated and frizz free. I could not be happier.

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How much do you dilute by? 1/2 water half conditioner? I've given up co-washing because of the issues you mentioned, I'm going to give it another go once I hear how much you dilute by. Great tip!
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I have fine hair and have the same issue when I don't shampoo for a day! So diluted conditioner could clean my hair without making it flat or heavy?
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I was quite frustrated because I thought that the no-poo thing was not working for me because I have fine, short 2c/3a hair and all the CO washing was just making my hair flat at the roots from the weight of the conditioner and I had greasy roots as well, despite the fact that I tried to make sure I washed it all out. I bought a lighter conditioner and that still didn't help the problem. Alas, I just diluted the conditioner in a small bottle with some water (which surprisingly foamed a little bit even though there aren't any detergents in it whatsoever) and it worked perfectly, possibly even ridiculously awesome. My hair is not weighed down at all anymore, its fluffy, voluminous, hydrated and frizz free. I could not be happier.

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How much do you dilute by? 1/2 water half conditioner? I've given up co-washing because of the issues you mentioned, I'm going to give it another go once I hear how much you dilute by. Great tip!
I dilute 4:1 water to conditioner, shaking well. I don't find that my hair gets less clean using a higher dilution rate, and in fact I think it works better because the distribution is better. If you have a lower density you probably don't need to dilute as much. I would start with 50/50 and go from there.
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I do not massage my hair at all when co-washing. I use Lorraine Massey's method, and massage my scalp.

FWIW, another method of dealing with oily (or other) scalp buildup is doing a brown sugar scrub.
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