Dry hair advice

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Hi curly girls I'm new here. Having so much fun browsing!

I recently went with the curly girl method a couple months ago. (Have not touched heat in almost a year now)

When I first switched over, I started using Deva Curl No poo, One conditioner, and Angel. I also started only finger combing in the shower with conditioner and drying with a cotton shirt.

The first couple of weeks my hair was AMAZING. Soft and defined and not frizzy at all. Well I have noticed it is starting to feel dry and get a bit frizzy again. I can't think of anything I have changed.

Can anyone give me advice on my problem?

I realized that I am using super hot water when I shower so I am going to switch to only using cold on my hair starting tomorrow. I sonder if this could be the issue?
Hi Woodsy! Do you have any idea what your hair properties are (porosity and texture)? They really help in picking out products that will agree with your hair, and in choosing techniques better suited to what your hair needs. There is still some trial and error, but it does help narrow down the options. This page is a good reference: Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics

I do have a few possibilities off the top of my head...

Devacurl products have a lot of herbal extracts, which are generally nice ingredients, but can act like proteins (though they aren't straight up proteins) in those who are protein sensitive. It could be that when you started CG, your hair needed protein, but it's gotten its fill (for now) and is overloaded. Too much protein can leave hair frizzy and dry. If your hair is also feeling straw-like or crunchy (not gel cast which you can scrunch out, but crunchy all the time), then it's probably protein overload. You fix this by switching to products with more moisture. Once your hair is back to normal, you can reintroduce products with protein. Over the long run you may find you need to alternate between moisture and protein products to keep your hair happy.

Another possibility is humectant induced frizz. It's probably less probable than protein overload, since Deva products worked well for 2 weeks before failing. They all have fairly high amounts of glycerin in them. Glycerin pulls moisture from what is most moist into what is less moist, and in the winter (low dewpoints, which you can check with the Frizz Forecast on the nc.com homepage), that can mean it pulls moisture out of hair and into the air. As more moisture gets pulled from the hair, it gets dry and frizzy. Many can use glycerin in their rinse out products in the winter, but have to stay away from it in stylers. Sealing with a small amount of an oil or a cream /pomade with oils or butters can help maintain moisture and prevent frizz.

A third possibility is buildup. You might try clarifying with a sulfate free shampoo that contains Cocamidopropyl Betaine.

On water temperature, super hot water isn't usually necessary for washing, but warm can be helpful. People with lower porosity hair often find that using warm water to wash helps to open their cuticle so cleansing and moisturizing is more effective. People with higher porosity hair sometimes like to do a final rinse with cool or cold water to help close their cuticle and seal in moisture.
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CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Thank you so much for your feedback Geek_Chic!

Looking at the protein overload angle, are there any moisture products that you can recommend for me? (sulfate free shampoo, conditioner, gel or cream that kind of thing)

Also, how long do you think the rotation should be switching between moisture/ protein products?

I took a look at that nifty website you provided me and I THINK I have medium to course texture (more towards medium) and normal to high porosity (more towards normal)


Also as a side question, I put a bit of conditioner (as a leave in) and gel in my hair right after my shower. Would waiting longer make a difference?
Many of us start with the Deva products, think we like them and then move on to other things. Since they changed the ingredients many years ago, I won't let the salon use even the NoPoo on my hair. I find it really drying.

Many of us rotate products. My hair has always satiated on products, even back in my shampoo/conditioner only days. I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. Seldom let myself use any one product more then once every five days.

Unfortunately, finding out what products your hair likes will be a lot of trial and error. It's fun and frustrating at the same time. Personally, I put products into soaking wet hair. Others like to put products into damp hair.

The best thing you can do is read, read and read some more. It's a little confusing at first. But it does get better.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks Kathy!

I bought new low poo and conditioner yesterday at Ulta I am thinking of returning them today and maybe explaining my situation and asking a sales rep what they think might work for me better.
Thanks Kathy!

I bought new low poo and conditioner yesterday at Ulta I am thinking of returning them today and maybe explaining my situation and asking a sales rep what they think might work for me better.
Originally Posted by Woodsy09
be careful as not all 'curly' products are cg! many contain sulfates/cones. so read the ingredients carefully!
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Thanks Kathy!

I bought new low poo and conditioner yesterday at Ulta I am thinking of returning them today and maybe explaining my situation and asking a sales rep what they think might work for me better.
Originally Posted by Woodsy09
I would just exchange them. IMHO, I don't think they will have anything of real interest for you. They carry a lot of salon products which are mass products and have a lot of chemicals in them.

As rbb said, read the ingredients carefully. Start doing your homework. Hair properties is the best way to look for ingredients/products. Look on the nc.com boards, find people with hair like yours and see what they use (in signatures.) While it's all trial and error, that's the best place to start.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Woodsy, whether you use moisture or protein and how long to use each is really more a feel thing than a schedule thing, unfortunately. You don't even have to exclusively use moisture or protein. You can mix it up. For instance, lately I've been using a proteiny cowash and rinse out conditioner, a moisturizing leave in, and a glycerin and protein free gel. When my hair feels drier, I might use a moisturizing cowash or rinse out conditioner as well, and if it's feeling completely overmoisturized, opt for a pt (protein treatment) followed by a moisturizing conditioner. Either way, I always evaluate how my hair is feeling and what it might be needing every time I wet it.

With time and experience you'll get better at catching your hair before it gets overloaded on one or the other. You mentioned in your first post that when you started CG, your hair looked amazing. Before you got dry and frizzy again, you probably hit a high point on the soft and non-frizzy hair. That's what you want to go for in terms of optimal. This blog entry is a nice reference on keeping a good balance. In addition to explaining what ingredients are proteins, it also has pics, which can be better than just words in explaining something. Do click through to the excellent article that's linked there, because it describes in detail how to evaluate your hair and where it is on the moisture /protein spectrum.

As far as product application, you'll get different results with soaking wet vs. damp, or with raking or smoothing product in as opposed to scrunching. The best way to figure out what works best is to try something different. One thing to watch though, is how many new things you try at once. It can be easier to pinpoint what works when you change one product or technique at a time. Ditto on what doesn't work. Knowing that product x makes your hair hard and tangly is better than having to track down whether it's product x or y or z, or knowing your usual products give you droopy curls when you rake them in as opposed to scrunching, is easier than wondering whether it's the 3 new products or the raking that left you with waves instead of your usual bouncy curls. Worst case scenario on a new technique, you'll end up with your hair up that day, or rewetting so you can restyle.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed

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