Raking then scrunching vs. smoothing then scrunching

Yesterday I decided to style my hair per the instructions on the live curly live free website. It was something I'd been meaning to get around to trying even though I was concerned raking might add extra time to my styling routine. It only added roughly 3 extra minutes as it turns out, but it really did not work for me. The whole idea of raking the products in is to get more even product distribution, but for whatever reason I got much more curl variation than usual. By that I mean I got loose puffy curls here and there that didn't match as if they had received less product than usual or had been disfigured by the raking. (I raked with wet hair by the way. Exactly like the site said.) Also as my hair dried it was like the curls were dispersed. I still had good curl formation, but since I'd broken up my clumps I think my hair didn't look as pretty. Raking the product in including the tbsp mentioned at the site at the roots to the midsection wound up giving flat top and since I had broken up my curls into thinner ones, even more volume at the bottom. I have plenty of volume at the bottom. Past my ears it's volume city. I just want more volume at the roots. So I don't think I was doing it wrong because I followed the instructions very closely, but I am fearing maybe this method does not work my hair which is a shame because I want more even product distribution. Like most people with curly hair there is a lot of it and I want to be thorough. The way I normally style is with applying my leave in then followed by my gel by smoothing it on and then scrunching it up. It gives me chunkier, happier, less poofy and definitely less poodley or skinny curls. I was wondering what other people's experiences in styling their hair has been and if you curly girls have any tips on making raking work. Is it even worth it to keep experimenting? Thanks to my experiment I had to wash and restyle my hair again this morning even though today was my day off. (I wash every other day.) I am 3A with 3B potential, normal texture, normal porosity with medium to high density.
I personally cannot rake. I don't completely lose my curl but it makes my hair somewhat flat and awkward looking. Instead I section my hair into four parts for even distribution, then smooth and scrunch. Works much better for me.

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2b-3a, 2b underlayer and straight roots.
low-med porosity, medium density, medium elasticity

CG since Nov '12. Making huge progress!

co wash: Suave Naturals Juicy Green Apple & Daily Clarifying Conditioners
RO: Garnier Fructis Pure Clean Conditioner
LI: GF PCC, water, EVOO & honey in spray bottle!
products i use: L.A. Looks Sport & Mega Mega Hold Gels

My hair hates curl creams and gets over conditioned easily.
I have the same issue. Raking does not work well for me. I love the clumps that I normally get. Raking breaks them up into stringy uneven curls! You gotta do what works for you!
It might sound completely counterintuitive, but I've seen several ladies recently raving about using a denman brush to distribute product. They say they get better curls and better clumps.

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LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
I have the same issue. Raking does not work well for me. I love the clumps that I normally get. Raking breaks them up into stringy uneven curls! You gotta do what works for you!
Originally Posted by cookiepie
Same here, plus it makes my hair flatter at the roots. Smoothing and scrunching works best for me.
Western Pennsylvania

3b, medium textured, medium thickness, medium porosity, protein sensitive
CG since 6/22/04

CO Washes: Suave Conditioners, Devacurl No Poo
Conditioners: Trader Joe Nourish, GV Conditioning Balm, JC Too Shea
Styling: Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee, Chi Infra Gel, GF Pure Clean Gel
DT: Devacurl Heaven in Hair, Nature's Therapy Mega Moisture, Hask Henna & Placenta (every 3 mo)

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Try 1st raking in very very wet hair followed by smoothing, I find that a good use of both techniques makes both product distribution and clumping. This is one of methods that works for me. I cant do lot of scruching though, my course curly strands starts to frizz out. So I do a 1 closed palm scrunch and let it alone(I do 4 sections of scrunch).Hope this helps
3a with some 2a-2c, Medium/Low Porosity
Co-wash:deva no-poo/Vo5 kiwi
Detangle:Suave
Leave-in:Shea Moisture/GVP conditioning Balm/AOHSR

Since long hair- I finger twist in big chunks, which helps till 5th day hair
Gel:LA sports
Plop: Old T-shirt for 15 minutes ,diffuse
I too cannot rake in products. My hair is pretty short right now and has awkward layers (cut was supposed to be worn straight), and raking just separates everything in a bad way.

I started combing in my leave-in condish before getting out of the shower for better product distribution. Then I quickly douse my head under water to clump everything back together. Once out, I smooth & scrunch in gel in sections.

The back of my head is the hardest for me, because my hair is so short I can't really get it to fall to either side when I tilt my head. It's annoying, and I never seem to get the proper amount of product back there.
2b/c, high density
fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
loves protein, hates polyquats
still searching for HGs
sorry what do you mean smooth and scrunch? i've always either raked followed by super soaker, or just scrunched products into very wet hair. i would say the raking followed by super soaker works best for me as the product distributes evenly and then the curls are reformed by the super soaking. however, i'm curious about smoothing and scrunching. what do you mean by that?
2b/c wavy modified CG since July 2012
medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
hair likes protein, doesn't like oils, easily OC'd

low poo: JCHCC, CJGCS
RO/co-wash/LI: YTCarrots, DB Pumpkin Seed
stylers: a bunch of stylers that are all pretty much the same (KCCC, UFDCM, CRCM, CKCJ) or ArcAngel if I need more hold
DT/PT: CJRM, CNPF
sorry what do you mean smooth and scrunch? i've always either raked followed by super soaker, or just scrunched products into very wet hair. i would say the raking followed by super soaker works best for me as the product distributes evenly and then the curls are reformed by the super soaking. however, i'm curious about smoothing and scrunching. what do you mean by that?
Originally Posted by elizard
I lightly take my hair in my hair and smooth the product down the length (sometimes I'll grab it like I am going to put my hair in a ponytail) and then scrunch in the rest of the gel that is left on my hands.
Western Pennsylvania

3b, medium textured, medium thickness, medium porosity, protein sensitive
CG since 6/22/04

CO Washes: Suave Conditioners, Devacurl No Poo
Conditioners: Trader Joe Nourish, GV Conditioning Balm, JC Too Shea
Styling: Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee, Chi Infra Gel, GF Pure Clean Gel
DT: Devacurl Heaven in Hair, Nature's Therapy Mega Moisture, Hask Henna & Placenta (every 3 mo)

Hair photos
pw: manycurls
I "smooth & scrunch" my hair in sections, usually two per each side of my head and then one more in the back.

I take a little gel and rub it between my hands so both are coated. Then I take a section of hair between my hands and smooth my hands down from the root the ends. I do this a couple times until I think the product is distributed, then I scrunch the section a couple times.

I got the idea initially from a video by waterlily716 on youtube. If you go to her youtube channel, it's in one of her videos where she shows her post-shower routine.
2b/c, high density
fine, medium porosity, normal elasticity
loves protein, hates polyquats
still searching for HGs
This forum is fabulous. I am glad to know it is not just me.

Even though I do not want to rake overall because of breaking up clumps I may try raking just in the back because just like flippalicious it is hard for me to reach that area and it tends to receive less product than the front of my hair even though I style with my head dipped and my hair fanned out in front of me. Maybe because my cut is awkward even though it is not short. I don't know. Or maybe it is because the hair on the back of my head is constantly brushing against my clothes and back while it dries which might break the gel cast. This is just a guess. Let me know if it that sounds reasonable.

So what is super soaking? Nevermind I just did a search and found a link. Gosh that seems like a lot of work to me especially waiting for it to dry because I don't blowdry my hair. I have a blowdryer of course but the diffuser sucks since the bowl is small and not very deep. Plus my hair doesn't take too long to air dry so I tend to do it that way. I also have been meaning to get around to buying a bigger diffuser though. Laziness!

Naaomiij I really like the idea of sectioning my hair before I style. It makes sense. That is what I have to do when I straighten it. Eight sections. Not kidding. Eight. That is how big my hair gets when I brush it out before straightening. When it is sopping wet I guess I could do four. Or maybe three and I could leave the back as one and try to rake that monster so she stays in place doggonit!

Corrina so I take it you don't use one yourself? About this denman brush, what makes it so different denman fans? I looked it up and it doesn't look like anything special or that would create clumps. I personally am of the mindset that I don't want to brush my hair anymore but I guess I'll look into it.

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