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adthomas 01-12-2013 05:24 PM

Pantene Cowash
 
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I saw this today on Facebook. Anybody try it yet? Ingredients?

Ericachristina 01-12-2013 05:47 PM

I haven't seen that before but I'd try it....I bet I won't be able to find it in Toronto though.

SCarrin 01-12-2013 09:49 PM

Every company has products for naturals now.

I haven't seen it yet though.

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adthomas 01-13-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SCarrin (Post 2100845)
Every company has products for naturals now.

I haven't seen it yet though.

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Pantene has had the Relaxed and Natural line for a long time. I never tried it but I did try the curly line before I went mod CG. This says "truly natural" so I'm wondering if this would be silicone free. I think companies are seeing the success Tresemme is having with TN and deciding to also have silicone free alternatives. I didn't like the Garnier Pure Clean conditioner. They only have a normal hair formula. I wish they had a dry hair formula that is more moisturizing.

BlackAngelPlayah 01-14-2013 02:00 AM

Looks like they separated the Relaxed and Natural into 2 lines. It's like a low poo and I'm quite sure the ingredients aren't Natural. It's just marketed towards natural hair.


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adthomas 01-14-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackAngelPlayah (Post 2101367)
Looks like they separated the Relaxed and Natural into 2 lines. It's like a low poo and I'm quite sure the ingredients aren't Natural. It's just marketed towards natural hair.


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Samanthascurlz 01-14-2013 05:22 PM

Wow, this is so cool. But like everyone else is saying, it's funny that all these companies are making a natural line.

On a side note, for YEARS, people have told me that pantene is one of the worst things to use for hair (any type). Do you all think this is true? I have avoided pantene through my natural journey, but if its not that bad I would like to try it.

Jessiebanana 01-14-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz (Post 2101771)
Wow, this is so cool. But like everyone else is saying, it's funny that all these companies are making a natural line.

On a side note, for YEARS, people have told me that pantene is one of the worst things to use for hair (any type). Do you all think this is true? I have avoided pantene through my natural journey, but if its not that bad I would like to try it.

I wouldn't use it now cause I'm CG, but I used it exclusively growing up and my hair was pretty happy. It didn't grow as long as I like and I hope CG will help with that, but I've tried worse products by far. Some of them natural and/or CG.

Samanthascurlz 01-14-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz (Post 2101771)
Wow, this is so cool. But like everyone else is saying, it's funny that all these companies are making a natural line.

On a side note, for YEARS, people have told me that pantene is one of the worst things to use for hair (any type). Do you all think this is true? I have avoided pantene through my natural journey, but if its not that bad I would like to try it.

I wouldn't use it now cause I'm CG, but I used it exclusively growing up and my hair was pretty happy. It didn't grow as long as I like and I hope CG will help with that, but I've tried worse products by far. Some of them natural and/or CG.

Thanks for the reply! Ok, I prolly will still stay away from it lol

BlackAngelPlayah 01-15-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackAngelPlayah (Post 2101367)
Looks like they separated the Relaxed and Natural into 2 lines. It's like a low poo and I'm quite sure the ingredients aren't Natural. It's just marketed towards natural hair.


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Yeah. I noticed they have "Truly Relaxed" and "Truly Natural" lines now.


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WurlyLox 01-15-2013 11:06 AM

I probably wouldn't ever try it because I just never found anything by Pantene that I ever liked, even before I went modified CG.

adthomas 01-15-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by adthomas (Post 2101508)
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Originally Posted by BlackAngelPlayah (Post 2101367)
Looks like they separated the Relaxed and Natural into 2 lines. It's like a low poo and I'm quite sure the ingredients aren't Natural. It's just marketed towards natural hair.


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Yeah. I noticed they have "Truly Relaxed" and "Truly Natural" lines now.


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LOL!!! I find the name "Truly Relaxed" hilarious. As opposed to what? Fake Relaxed. LOL!!

This makes me suspect they took the same products from R&N and put it in two different packaging bottles and telling us it is something new. I would like to compare the shampoo and conditioner ingredients for Truly Natural and Truly Relaxed and see if they are Truly The Same and if Pantene is trying to play us as Truly Stupid.

adthomas 01-15-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WurlyLox (Post 2102170)
I probably wouldn't ever try it because I just never found anything by Pantene that I ever liked, even before I went modified CG.

My hair is fine. When I was relaxed I liked their fine hair products. Once I went natural the silicones were too much. I tried the curly conditioner which dried out my hair. The curly dc left a heavy coat on my hair.

CurlyCutie1394 01-15-2013 12:40 PM

I found the ingredients for the deep conditioner I doubt it's much different from the Cowash:
Water, Stearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Cetyl Alcohol, Bis Aminopropyl Dimethicone, Fragrance, Benzyl Alcohol, Disodium ETDA, Pathenol, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Jojoba Seed Oil, Coconut Oil, Methylchloroisothaizolinone, Methylisothaizolinone

I went on Pantenes website and I'm sure they have silicones the "truly natural" shampoo is a clarifying shampoo

naaomiij 01-15-2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by adthomas (Post 2101508)
I would like to compare the shampoo and conditioner ingredients for Truly Natural and Truly Relaxed and see if they are Truly The Same and if Pantene is trying to play us as Truly Stupid.

Hahahahahahaha this made me laugh very hard.

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adthomas 01-15-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CurlyCutie1394 (Post 2102238)
I found the ingredients for the deep conditioner I doubt it's much different from the Cowash:
Water, Stearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Cetyl Alcohol, Bis Aminopropyl Dimethicone, Fragrance, Benzyl Alcohol, Disodium ETDA, Pathenol, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Jojoba Seed Oil, Coconut Oil, Methylchloroisothaizolinone, Methylisothaizolinone

I went on Pantenes website and I'm sure they have silicones the "truly natural" shampoo is a clarifying shampoo

I went on the site and couldn't find any ingredients. There is an icon to look at the back of the bottles but it only has instructions, not ingredients.

Black Hair Care | Pantene

And I didn't understand why they have clarifying shampoo for natural and then moisturizing and light shampoos for relaxed? Most people I think use both depending on how clean they need their hair and amount of buildup. And do relaxed people not need to dc? Strange. Seems like they they took the one product line and did a King Solmon baby split. said this for you and this for you. For example, going strictly by this there is nothing to serve as a li for a natural since the hairdress is over on the relaxed side. although I'm sure a natural could use it. IMO there is no benefit to splitting the line other than make us naturals feel like speshalsnowflakes.

Because of the silicones and my personal feelings about black ethic hair care marketing I'm going to pass on this. BTW I have white friends who love Relaxed and Natural. I'll stick to Tresemme and SM and companies that target to me because my hair is dry and curly and not because I'm black. I do want to hear reviews though because I'm nosey.:blob3:

For future comparison these are the ingredients for the old R& Natural Mask

water, stearly alchohol, amdimethicone, behentrimonium choride, cety alcohol, coconut oil, jojoba seed oil, panthenol, pathenyl ethyl ether, fragrance, lysine hcl, methyl tyrosinate hcl, histidine, benzyl alcohol, disodium edta, methylchloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone, sodium hydroxide

R&N Intense moisturizing conditioner

Water , Stearyl Alcohol , Dimethicone , Behentrimonium Chloride , Cetyl Alcohol , Coconut Oil- Cocos Nucifera , Jojoba Seed Oil- Simmondsia Chinensis , Fragrance , Panthenyl Ethyl Ether , Panthenol , Lysine HCl , Methyl Tyrosinate HCl , Histidine , Disodium EDTA , Sodium Hydroxide , Methylchloroisothiazolinone , Methylisothiazolinone , Benzyl Alcohol

R&N Shampoo
Water, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Sodium Chloride, Glycol Distearate, Dimethicone, Citric Acid, Laureth 4, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Xylene Sulfonate, Fragrance, Sodium Benzoate, Polyquaternium 6, Tetrasodium EDTA, Panthenol, Panthenyl Ethyl Ether, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil (Jojoba), Cocos Nucifera Oil (Coconut), Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone

Jessiebanana 01-15-2013 05:48 PM

Personally I've never been bothered by that kind of marketing.

I take it more as people with x racial background are likely to have similar hair. This product is targeted towards y hair. There is a logic to that that doesn't seem odd to me in the least. Unless a company came out and explicity stated that a product was ONLY for a certain group and no one else could use it or that group couldn't use any of their other products would I be bothered by it.

I might just email them to find out the ingredients. I am curious now.

adthomas 01-16-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2102427)
Personally I've never been bothered by that kind of marketing.

I take it more as people with x racial background are likely to have similar hair. This product is targeted towards y hair. There is a logic to that that doesn't seem odd to me in the least. Unless a company came out and explicity stated that a product was ONLY for a certain group and no one else could use it or that group couldn't use any of their other products would I be bothered by it.

I might just email them to find out the ingredients. I am curious now.

Why is it The only x or y race hair I have ever seen subdivided on the shelves of United States major retailers is black people? And no we don't all have the same kind of hair. When Pantene comes out with their Asian Persuasion and White Wonders shampoo and conditioner maybe I will change my point of view. I thought at first Truly Natural was about truly natural ingredients but now I've lost interest. Meh. Not knocking anyone. just my opinion.

Jessiebanana 01-16-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by adthomas (Post 2102819)
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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2102427)
Personally I've never been bothered by that kind of marketing.

I take it more as people with x racial background are likely to have similar hair. This product is targeted towards y hair. There is a logic to that that doesn't seem odd to me in the least. Unless a company came out and explicity stated that a product was ONLY for a certain group and no one else could use it or that group couldn't use any of their other products would I be bothered by it.

I might just email them to find out the ingredients. I am curious now.

Why is it The only x or y race hair I have ever seen subdivided on the shelves of United States major retailers is black people? And no we don't all have the same kind of hair. When Pantene comes out with their Asian Persuasion and White Wonders shampoo and conditioner maybe I will change my point of view. I thought at first Truly Natural was about truly natural ingredients but now I've lost interest. Meh. Not knocking anyone. just my opinion.

I do think our hair is quite different, as a whole, from hair of other races. It isn't to say their isn't diversity within or people from other races having similar hair to ours. It's a numbers game though.

Personally I find sun screen marketing to be more absurd, yet I still get the idea. We all burn and need protection from the sun, but fair skin white people have the highest rates of skin cancer and it's even higher among people who freckle.

I tend to look at numbers and reasoning, before I jump to any sort of feelings. Just the way my brain works. As far as natural...since it started with relaxed and natural I've always assumed natural referred to the state of the hair and not the ingredients in the product. I don't think Pantene has ever aspired to be an eco brand.

adthomas 01-16-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2102835)
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Originally Posted by adthomas (Post 2102819)
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Originally Posted by Jessiebanana (Post 2102427)
Personally I've never been bothered by that kind of marketing.

I take it more as people with x racial background are likely to have similar hair. This product is targeted towards y hair. There is a logic to that that doesn't seem odd to me in the least. Unless a company came out and explicity stated that a product was ONLY for a certain group and no one else could use it or that group couldn't use any of their other products would I be bothered by it.

I might just email them to find out the ingredients. I am curious now.

Why is it The only x or y race hair I have ever seen subdivided on the shelves of United States major retailers is black people? And no we don't all have the same kind of hair. When Pantene comes out with their Asian Persuasion and White Wonders shampoo and conditioner maybe I will change my point of view. I thought at first Truly Natural was about truly natural ingredients but now I've lost interest. Meh. Not knocking anyone. just my opinion.

I do think our hair is quite different, as a whole, from hair of other races. It isn't to say their isn't diversity within or people from other races having similar hair to ours. It's a numbers game though.

Personally I find sun screen marketing to be more absurd, yet I still get the idea. We all burn and need protection from the sun, but fair skin white people have the highest rates of skin cancer and it's even higher among people who freckle.

I tend to look at numbers and reasoning, before I jump to any sort of feelings. Just the way my brain works. As far as natural...since it started with relaxed and natural I've always assumed natural referred to the state of the hair and not the ingredients in the product. I don't think Pantene has ever aspired to be an eco brand.

Yeah. I didn't realize it was part of R and N at first. I thought Pantene was doing its version of Tresemme Naturals. And we know that "natural" IS about ingredients.
I rarely buy wonder products in the black section. I have fine hair and I used to use Pantene for fine hair. Most ethinic stuff I can't use without my hair feeling greasy coated to the point where I have to wash it out. I'm not sure who told who "black folks hair loves some mineral oil/petrolatum."

BTW i have freckles. My whole family does. I used to hate them but now I love my freckles. :)


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