Got my hair analysis and I'm very confused.

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I got it and I'm COARSE texture! HIGH porosity! & LOW elasticity!

You could've knocked me over with a feather. I did all of the tests so diligently and I was so certain I'd figured my hair out and that my hair was very healthy. After all I haven't used sulfates in years since I used wen as my conditioner/cleanser before I went CG. I only wanted the analysis as a kind of seal of approval. Now that I know what I am it rather makes sense because I had an episode this weekend in which my argan ecostyler ((which I liked and I'm really sad I may not be able to use anymore)) seemed to dry me out and that may've been because of its protein content. But now I don't know what to do in terms of other products to try. There aren't that many protein free stylers and the ones I like like kinky curly custard and aubrey organics b5 gel don't have enough to hold to last me that long. They make my hair look beautiful for most of the first day, but the curls aren't there for the second day and I love the second day hair I get with other gels. Besides who wants to wash their hair every day if they can avoid it?

Is it possible that my hair will change and get healthier so that I can have improved porosity and elasticity if not texture? I really hope so. I am also hoping (maybe in vain) that my hair is not as coarse as it feels but is just dry right now since I only started CG in November. It feels soft and healthy most of the time but I did notice when I was plucking it out of my head when it was clean (free of leave-in and stylers) that it felt rather dry. Aw shucks. I'm still glad I know what I know but at the same time I wish I'd known it earlier, you know? Wow that is a lot of you knows. I hope someone does know and that there is a way back from this. Other than my having to wait for my new virgin hair to grow in healthy. I am patient though. And I do love my hair curly now just as much as when I used to wear it straight. I only wish it curled as much as it used to and I guess now I know why it doesn't. Oh well. Something to look forward to. I have to keep telling myself that.
Wait! Don't jump out of your hair just yet (Sorry, couldn't resist )

Something to consider about this whole "hair properties" thing: Certain hair properties do change, in fact are likely to change, over time. Any of the following can make normal porosity high and/or cause reduced elasticity: the act of using thermal heat or chemicals for straightening or styling; coloring, bleaching ... even using certain otherwise harmless or natural agents that simply don't "agree" with your particular head of hair.

Also, hormones, stress and a gazillion other physiological and environmental factors can change not just some of your hair properties, but even your "curl type" (size).

I hope any "hair analysis" service out there includes a disclaimer that "results may vary over time". Sounds like maybe the one you used didn't. Without a disclaimer, when peoples' hair properties change, they may fail to realize they need to switch products or re-adjust their routines.

And yes, porosity can be improved, as can elasticity. Often protein reconstructive treatments are helpful, as a start.
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High porosity is not always the cause of damage. It can also be genetics.

I have NEVER died my hair nor permed my hair, I only blow dried in my very EARLY childhood years and I've used a flat / curling iron maybe 7 times in my WHOLE life. So I expected my hair to have low porosity, but I have medium porosity. That's because of genetics, I guess.

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3A/2C M iii med porosity, high elasticity

HGs:
Clarify: Nivea IR
Lo-poo: Nature's Gate CR
CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
RO: TBS Rainforest Moisture, etc

LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
Seal: Grapeseed oil
Gel: Studioline

PT: EO Keratin co
DT: RO+oils
Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


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Thanks guys. I feel better. I used the live curly live free analysis since I love that website and they do say repeatedly I believe that properties can change over time. That is why I think I'll ask for another analysis in January of 2014. (See I am hopeful about staying curly and CG.) But they also say high porosity is always a cause of damage and that low elasticity can be too. I have dyed my hair red in the past but it has been natural for a few years and I didn't think my little ole flat iron was as bad as the hype. And I, don't kill me, didn't always use heat protectant. I mean I would on occasion but sometimes I felt like if I were to use it it would bring me one day closer to washing my hair and the whole idea was to straighten my hair less often to minimize damage. Oh what a fool I was. Me and my convoluted logic! Now I am just mad at my past self and wish I could go back in time and give her a stiff kick in the butt.

Korkscrew do you think a protein treatment would be a good thing then? According to my coarse texture I should avoid protein because my hair is already strong but then according to my properties that may indicate damage like the high porosity and low elasticity, I might need some protein. See that's another thing I'm super confused about that I forgot to mention!

Also Aqua_Lily I thought medium porosity was the ideal, right? So that not too much moisture was leaving the hair shaft but not too little was permeating it? That's what I understood. And now that I know I'm high porosity I think it explains why my hair dries so quickly compared to other people even though it is thick. I heard other people complaining about kinky curly custard taking ages to dry but for me it's at most an hour and a half and I do have long hair. So much to think about. This is bad because I am the sort of person who likes to analyze things from every angle.
High porosity is not always the cause of damage. It can also be genetics.
Originally Posted by Aqua_Lily
Never said it was always the cause of damage. Genetic involvement is assumed, but the wild cards that can change porosity/elasticity are the things I described above (including not just damage, but physiological and environmental changes).

My main point was that a person can't necessarily rely on a single "hair property analysis" result, as some kind of permanent blueprint for what her hair properties will always be.

The bad news is: one set of results may not allow the person to find a hair routine that will work predictably for the rest of her life.

The good news is: she doesn't have to get too hung up on one set of results
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High porosity is not always the cause of damage. It can also be genetics.
Originally Posted by Aqua_Lily
Never said it was always the cause of damage. Genetic involvement is assumed, but the wild cards that can change porosity/elasticity are the things I described above (including not just damage, but physiological and environmental changes).

My main point was that a person can't necessarily rely on a single "hair property analysis" result, as some kind of permanent blueprint for what her hair properties will always be.

The bad news is: one set of results may not allow the person to find a hair routine that will work predictably for the rest of her life.

The good news is: she doesn't have to get too hung up on one set of results
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
My comment was meant for Dusalocks She said she was surprised about the high porosity because she treated her hair really well. I just meant to give her some background information about porosity she might find interesting to know. I never implied that you said that it was always damage.

@dusalocks: hmmm, I don't know to be honest! Yes it's true that medium porosity let's some moisture in why not letting too much out, but whether it is THE ideal... I don't know. I think low porosity tends to be more shiny? Also, and this is JUST a guess, low porosity hair might be less prone to split ends... I think that because the cuticle is more closed and therefore the hair is better protected.

But this is mere speculating. I would like to hear more thoughts on this, love to learn.
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At hip length, going for mid-thigh!
3A/2C M iii med porosity, high elasticity

HGs:
Clarify: Nivea IR
Lo-poo: Nature's Gate CR
CW: Elvive Volume Collagen
RO: TBS Rainforest Moisture, etc

LI: Elvive volume collagen, KCKT
Seal: Grapeseed oil
Gel: Studioline

PT: EO Keratin co
DT: RO+oils
Hairgrowth stim.: JBCO+EVCO


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Last edited by Aqua_Lily; 01-16-2013 at 02:33 AM.
I don't think you should look at properties as good/bad. They are what they are. IF porous hair is caused by heat, chemical or other damaging processes, it's possible that it will change. If it's the result of genetics, it's unlikely. The important thing in all of this is using that knowledge to benefit your hair. It gives you a place to start.

If your hair likes a product, there's no reason not to use it. While coarse hair usually doesn't care for protein, porous hair does. Your hair may like some protein and not others. It's all trial and error and finding out what works for you.

You'll know if your hair is changing. You'll see/feel it.
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3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
It is better to have information than not, so it is a good thing to have this knowledge to work with. I think the two most important things about hair properties are that they tell you 1) the likelihood that certain ingredients and techniques that will work for you, and 2) the type of hairstyles that will work the best for you. (For example, my high hair density and thicker texture makes chin length hair a no go. I get the proverbial football helmet look. So I either have to go pixie or go at least shoulder length.)

You can look around and find great looking hair on people with all types of hair properties. You just have to make some choices about what is really going to work for you and what isnít.
High Density, High Porosity, Medium Texture, 3B with some kink

DT: SS DDMT - HG
Lo-Poo: No Preference
Co-wash: CJ Smoothing Conditioner
RO: CJ Strengthening Conditioner - HG
LI: CK Satin Roots
Styler: CK Coil Jam
Other Likes: Castor Oil; CK Twist Whip, MD CSC
Dislikes: Wheat Protein; Aloe LIs or Stylers

My comment was meant for Dusalocks She said she was surprised about the high porosity because she treated her hair really well. I just meant to give her some background information about porosity she might find interesting to know. I never implied that you said that it was always damage.
Originally Posted by Aqua_Lily
Sorry for stepping on your toes! (This is me stepping OFF of them and going on my way - lol I actually found a use for that icon ). So, my apologies Aqua_Lily.
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Last edited by Korkscrew; 01-16-2013 at 02:37 PM.
I don't think you should look at properties as good/bad. They are what they are. IF porous hair is caused by heat, chemical or other damaging processes, it's possible that it will change. If it's the result of genetics, it's unlikely. The important thing in all of this is using that knowledge to benefit your hair. It gives you a place to start.

If your hair likes a product, there's no reason not to use it. While coarse hair usually doesn't care for protein, porous hair does. Your hair may like some protein and not others. It's all trial and error and finding out what works for you.

You'll know if your hair is changing. You'll see/feel it.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Excellent post. Especially the part about "listening" to what the hair has to say. In my earlier years, I made the same mistake so often: stuck w/the same product (esp. conditioner) because I truly believed it was "good for" my hair even though my hair was obviously showing signs it was time to stop.
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Another good idea is to look up live curly live free pintrest site...I had the AWESOME privilege of meeting Tiffany...and has developed the pintrest site to offer suggestion of products tailored to hair type. I wonder if ACV rinses might help with a good deep conditioner treatment. I say try a few DTs to see if this helps the "dryness" issue, if not start off with a light protein treatment. It is trial and error. Iím still learning and experimenting with products after being appx 9 months into CG method. And my hair continues to improve. You could also reads peoples bio/signatures whose hair is similar to yours.. to see what products they use..
2b/c CG since 8/12
I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

Hair loves moisture protein.
MUST Pixie diffuse.

My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats Or glycerin in high dews
I really love the live curly live free website. The only thing that surprised me about my results was that I have low elasticity. I think that is genetics because my hair doesn't break easily and I rarely get split ends so I don't get that one.

Like other posters said, hair properties aren't good or bad. Good hair days are a matter of trial and error. Even when you know your properties, the weather may throw you a curveball and throw your game off. Lol
3b/c, medium-coarse, low porosity, high density
HG: Jessicurl Too Shea and Kinky Curly Curling Custard
Shampoo: nonsulfate shampoo and Suave Naturals sulfate shampoo when needed
That's my hair. In the winter. I use no protein. None. My hair will brittle right up.

Moisture and sealing, sealing, sealing. Sealing helps reduce moisture loss in the winter.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Aqua-lily: Yes, maybe I am just thinking it is the "ideal" because your snapshots of your lovely golden curls are so angelic. You're so lucky. I used to highlight my hair but I've never had the courage to go full blond because my hair grows out so fast and dark roots = high maintenance. And now that my hair may or may not be damaged I'm just going to be extra careful. Thanks for your two cents.

kathymack, tricello and korkscrew: You guys are so nice. I think you were telling me what I already intuitively knew (despite my freakout) and that is the best seal of approval after all. I feel easier about it now. I'm not going to be all I absolutely cannot try this because it contains this much protein and must use that for whatever reason. I don't want to spend too much money figuring my hair out and I'm looking on the bright side. I already seem to have found my HG leave in and styler. If I have to wash my hair everyday in the meanwhile while I search for something with stronger hold it's not such a big deal. My straight haired friends already have to do that anyways to keep their hair from getting limp or greasy so I'll just have to do it to keep my hair conditioned and tidy. Like everyone said it's just trial and error. Plus maybe I can use protein heavy gels like my ultra defining gel and argan ecostyler every once in a while when I need more hold for say a night on the town. I will just be very careful not to overdo it and dry my hair out.

Shelly: What a great suggestion! I just checked it out. I'm pleased that one of the items suggested to coarse hair types is one I purchased today! The SM restorative conditioner. I think I will use that as my DC and for deep treatment and then follow your sage advice of maybe then trying a PT if it doesn't work out. I also picked up the SM Yucca Thickening Shampoo. I know it has protein in it and is designed for fine hair but Target was out of the other shampoo I wanted (ironically the one Tiffany suggests for my hair type) and this one smells really nice and seems to have a lot of wonderful ingredients. Oh and I am so green with envy that you got to meet Tiffany. I wish she cut hair in California but they probably need her in Florida more because of the humidity. Still... if only.

Multicultcurly: Oh yes this is very pertinent. I don't have any split ends either and my hair is very resilient. It does not break easy. So I was trying to rationalize this in my brain. Maybe my elasticity is low simply because I have a looser curl pattern: 3A with a little bit of 3B depending on the weather. My curls are not super tight and if I don't restyle the next day they fall to waves. Or is it merely that my curl pattern is loose because my elasticity has been lowered thanks to my styling my hair straight? I honestly don't know and I guess I won't know until it grows out a little or gets "repaired". My hair was curlier when I was a kid I can tell you that.

redcelticcurls: Which part of the country do you live in? Do you think your coarse hair is more protein sensitive right now because of the climate mainly since you said it was winter versus summer? I live in Los Angeles and it was 70 degrees today. (Still cold in my opinion but I am a wimp.) The reason I ask is because I did like I said buy a Shea Moisture shampoo with protein in it today. It was sort of an impulse buy since I came for an entirely different shampoo but the store was out of it. I'll test it out though and if it completely dries out my hair I guess I'll swap it. Or maybe I'll sleep on it tonight. I only have maybe two more days' worth of my As I am coconut co-wash so there's no rush.


Okay. . . now that I've thought about it I am really curious about the low elasticity. Do people with looser curls just have low elasticity in general? My hair doesn't have a big spring factor but it is resistant to straightening unless I use higher temperatures and even then it can get curly again really fast if exposed to humidity.

Last edited by dusalocks; 01-16-2013 at 09:53 PM. Reason: elasticity
Thats a good question about elasticity...When I met Tiffany...she first thought my hair was med texture...med density...and med porosity...but after playing with it, applying products , and seeing how my hair responded to the products..she said my hair acted more towards fine and low porosity..even though it looked and felt medium...just a thought for you..that you just need to listen to your hair...I have always zeroed in on the fine aspects of my hair...and never really gave much thought to the low porosity fact...hmmm...im sure someone will enlighten us on this idea...lol...

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2b/c CG since 8/12
I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

Hair loves moisture protein.
MUST Pixie diffuse.

My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats Or glycerin in high dews

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