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Old 01-28-2013, 01:00 PM   #41
 
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Well, my first try with a-cone has been ok. It may be bc I air dried, and I usually diffuse, at least 50%, but my hair for pretty frizzy and flyaway. Almost OC'd. But again, this could all be from the air drying. I'm going to give it another shot.

Shine was great, hair looked healthier on the ends. Seems a little dry, but I'm not blaming the cone for that just yet.
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I avoided cones for a long time or used them rarely and considered myself modified cg because I low poo'd once a week. Now I am slowly re-introducing cones when I wear my hair curly. So far - so good. Even the evil c-cone doesn't seem to bother my hair, but I use a mild shampoo for color treated hair which does have sulfates.

I find hot stylers much worse for my hair than cones.
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Well, my first try with a-cone has been ok. It may be bc I air dried, and I usually diffuse, at least 50%, but my hair for pretty frizzy and flyaway. Almost OC'd. But again, this could all be from the air drying. I'm going to give it another shot.

Shine was great, hair looked healthier on the ends. Seems a little dry, but I'm not blaming the cone for that just yet.
Jas, I'm excited about your experiment. I used Wen for five years as my conditioner/cleanser before I went CG and it has the a-cone. I loved it and up until that point was the only thing I'd ever found that it made it possible for me to detangle. I used in in conjunction with other cones when I styled my hair straight so I think I had a lot of buildup but wasn't realizing it because my hair is so thick and dense it was difficult to tell. The cones were probably protecting my hair from all the heat anyways. There was a period when I was trying just Wen by itself and using it as my leave in and styler. I'd say you could go months upon months before needing to clarify with just amothedicone alone. Keep us posted.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:12 PM   #44
 
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Well, I do a mix of co-wash, really low poo (SM), and low poo with coco-betaine once or twice a week. I'll clarify with a gently SLS poo mixed with my low-poo as needed, maybe every couple weeks at most. So I wouldn't think build up would be a big problem for me, anyhow.

And since a-cone is designed chemically to no build up, it shouldn't be an issue anyhow. It just depends on whether one's hair responds well to a-cone, or if all the ingredients being used play nice together.

C-cone isn't supposed to build up, either. It evaporates, tho, so it can be drying. Again it depends on how one's hair responds to it, and if the ingredients in everything you are using work well together.

I'm hoping to give it another try tomorrow!
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Good luck with it, Jas! I'm going to wash again tomorrow, too, and try a little different gel combo on top of my dimethicone styler. My hair did not hold up super well today, but I think that's because it was rainy and humid here. I ended up with a decent amount of frizz at the end of the day.

Hey, does anyone know where to find that list of ingredients that will get out silicones? I know there was one floating around here at some point, but since I wasn't using cones then, I didn't pay attention. I use CJ shampoo, which I think will get out dimethicone, but I'm not positive.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:02 PM   #46
 
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http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...p-on-silicones

That is the link to the article on NC, however it seems there may be other surficants that will remove cones.

Take look at the following links, also:

http://www.untamedtresses.com/long-h...build-up-3143/

http://www.curlynikki.com/2011/05/yo...wered.html?m=1
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Geez. Now I read this and I'm all confused again. :/

Cones, polyquats, ions, and removal of buildup
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:58 PM   #48
 
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Jas76, I second you, I am completely confused.
I have just started cg 3 weeks ago for my daughter and myself and so far it is working well , but I do have quite a bit of products "leftover" from before " being educated " on curl care. Off course they all have cones but I am tempted to try the garnier strong hold gel in my bathroom anyway. I am curious to know if it is true that cones can be removed with coconut oil.
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Thanks for all those links, Jas. I guess I'll just wash with my CJ shampoo and see what happens!
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:45 PM   #50
 
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Thanks for all those links, Jas. I guess I'll just wash with my CJ shampoo and see what happens!
Seriously! That's the point I'm at. I'll co-was and use my SM poo, then use my coco betaine poo every so often, and hope for the best.

Basically I'm sticking to my usual routine, adding in some a-cone, and monitoring what happens.
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All I can say...is my hair never looked like this when I used silicones....My hair was barely wavy...it felt coated, dry, and tangly....so being CG is how I prefer my hair to look...light, airy, with volume but unfortunately comes with some frizzy...but I NEVER had frizzy free hair anyway...Even a lot of CG products can make . my hair feel the same way...So I agree with everyone else has stated....it depends on what works for you...I mean my waves are so pathetic that FSG weighs it down!!??? Crazy!!!
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All I can say...is my hair never looked like this when I used silicones....My hair was barely wavy...it felt coated, dry, and tangly....so being CG is how I prefer my hair to look...light, airy, with volume but unfortunately comes with some frizzy...but I NEVER had frizzy free hair anyway...Even a lot of CG products can make . my hair feel the same way...So I agree with everyone else has stated....it depends on what works for you...I mean my waves are so pathetic that FSG weighs it down!!??? Crazy!!!

I agree. My hair never looked this good with cones and I was already avoiding sulfates. Honestly the moment I removed the cones my frizzy waves and snarls changed back into bouncy curls. Not the curls I had as a child but still curly. But I think in my case I might've been I was using so many cones between my cleanser/conditioner and styling products that it just made it impossible for moisture to actually penetrate the hair shaft ? So it seems like if you can get your hair into shape and finally figure out what works for it in general, how to treat it, keep it moisturized, etc., then, once you're confident, you can play with cones. Just make sure not to overdo it. And the best thing is you'll know enough about your hair that you know when you're overdoing it in the first place. But I'm only two months into CG and very happy. My hair has great definition and no frizz which is a real first. I just keep piling on the moisture and my hair says, "More please!" We'll see how I feel in a year or whenever but for now I'm not going to fix what ain't broken.
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My hair was dry, brittle, broke off, and my curls had become limp waves. And not the pretty waves, pathetic sad waves.

CG brought my hair back to life, and taught me how to care for it, and how products effect it.

However I think that is more the key then no silicones.

Really, if your hair gets weighed down easily, silicones are extremely light, from what I'm told.

I'm just using them in moderation. If I low-poo anyhow, what's it going to hurt?
Now that I'm educated on curls, moisture, protein, etc, I can do silicones right this time. Before I used to put layer upon layer upon layer of them. Now there is one non-build-up silicone in the mix. I'm still doing everything else the same, but adding that one cone in and keeping tabs on it.
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I love cones. Nothing makes my hair look as frizz free and nice as cones. I tried the cg thing but since my scalp never felt clean and didnt feel good, I ended up using regular shampoos anyways. Although I try to avoid ones with sulfates.

My hair never looked or felt better on the cg method. And most oils just make my hair look frizzier, fluffier and awful but I've only tried coconut, jojoba, castor, olive and mineral oil. I just doubt the others ones are going to be soo different.
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Are sulfates necessary to remove cones?
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I don't think it's as much of a controversy as people simply recommending (with different degrees of forcefulness) what works for them.

My hair doesn't like silicones. It laughs at them all--- dimethicone, amodimethicone (took me a while to figure this one out), methicone, and the -xanes. (And I do wash with a low-poo on a semi-regular basis...)

It just has never worked. Ever.

I realize that a lot of people have success with cones, but I can, with a good amount of confidence, say that I'm never going to be one of those people.

The end mantra, of course, would just be: Do what works for you.
This is me. Cones have always left a film on my hair and sulfate shampoos with the exception of Nexxus Moisture Therappe shampoo were always drying. I dont use cones period water soluble or otherwise. I've been modified CG (i use combs and castor oil) for over 2yrs now and my scalp and hair have never been happier. (I've BC twice)

But if cones work for your hair that is great. All of us have a unique DNA and noone can tell you what is best for you other than YOU.

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I don't think it's as much of a controversy as people simply recommending (with different degrees of forcefulness) what works for them.

My hair doesn't like silicones. It laughs at them all--- dimethicone, amodimethicone (took me a while to figure this one out), methicone, and the -xanes. (And I do wash with a low-poo on a semi-regular basis...)

It just has never worked. Ever.

I realize that a lot of people have success with cones, but I can, with a good amount of confidence, say that I'm never going to be one of those people.

The end mantra, of course, would just be: Do what works for you.
This is me. Cones have always left a film on my hair and sulfate shampoos with the exception of Nexxus Moisture Therappe shampoo were always drying. I dont use cones period water soluble or otherwise. I've been modified CG (i use combs and castor oil) for over 2yrs now and my scalp and hair have never been happier. (I've BC twice)

But if cones work for your hair that is great. All of us have a unique DNA and noone can tell you what is best for you other than YOU.
Do combs and castor oil make you mod? I would still consider you full CG!
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Using cones correctly is definitely important, as Jas76 said. I still remember being in college and buying silicone serums like Frizz-Ease and basically POURING them on my hair, expecting a miracle, and wondering why it didn't work and just looked terrible. My hair is medium to fine and thin and gets weighed down easily, so that was pretty much the stupidest thing ever. I cringe thinking about it.
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Using cones correctly is definitely important, as Jas76 said. I still remember being in college and buying silicone serums like Frizz-Ease and basically POURING them on my hair, expecting a miracle, and wondering why it didn't work and just looked terrible. My hair is medium to fine and thin and gets weighed down easily, so that was pretty much the stupidest thing ever. I cringe thinking about it.
Omg - me too!!! Now when I think back with all my newly acquired info, it really IS cringe-worthy!!!

And the frizz ease serum - on top of coney sulfate poo, coney condish,coney LI, coney curl spray, and spray 1 or 3 types of coney serum!!!! DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP!! Lol!!!!
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I don't think it's as much of a controversy as people simply recommending (with different degrees of forcefulness) what works for them.

My hair doesn't like silicones. It laughs at them all--- dimethicone, amodimethicone (took me a while to figure this one out), methicone, and the -xanes. (And I do wash with a low-poo on a semi-regular basis...)

It just has never worked. Ever.

I realize that a lot of people have success with cones, but I can, with a good amount of confidence, say that I'm never going to be one of those people.

The end mantra, of course, would just be: Do what works for you.
This is me. Cones have always left a film on my hair and sulfate shampoos with the exception of Nexxus Moisture Therappe shampoo were always drying. I dont use cones period water soluble or otherwise. I've been modified CG (i use combs and castor oil) for over 2yrs now and my scalp and hair have never been happier. (I've BC twice)

But if cones work for your hair that is great. All of us have a unique DNA and noone can tell you what is best for you other than YOU.
Do combs and castor oil make you mod? I would still consider you full CG!
Well she said that castor oil isn't water soluble and not to use combs...lol Thanks!
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