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anonymous_133347 01-29-2013 02:20 PM

Seriously though: why are there so few humectant free gels?
 
I feel like there is a high demand for them. Plenty of curlies live in arid climates. Also it's wintertime right now which means that curlies all over the country (and northern hemisphere) are dealing with low dews. What gives? I mean I love my kinky curly curling custard and the price isn't a problem because, for moi, a little goes a long way, but there should be a cheaper alternative you could pick up at Walgreens.

rmc2 01-29-2013 03:42 PM

Duaalocks, not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it. I live in the Wash DC Metro area where it has been freezing cold lately, and still have no problems using products with glycerin. Explanation is clearer online but my quick reason is that so long as your hair is well moisturized with water in the first place, the glycerin will be "well fed" and too full to pull that moisture (which it can't find in the air) of your hair. To refresh hair on no wash days, I use my bottle spray filled with water to revive my curls.

Aqua_Lily 01-29-2013 06:25 PM

^Thanks for the advice, but the majority of people have no idea about that or what glycerin even is. It still doesn't explain why there is nearly always glycerin in gels etc because it gives problems when the dew point is either high or low...

elizard 01-29-2013 11:23 PM

I live in Dc too and I can't use glycerin right now. I have better results with kccc like you, but FYI aloe is a humectant.

Jas76 01-29-2013 11:32 PM

LAL Power Spikes is glycerin free! (At least I'm 99% sure it is!)

And it's really cheap, and available at drugstores!

Marci 01-30-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas76 (Post 2111020)
LAL Power Spikes is glycerin free! (At least I'm 99% sure it is!)

And it's really cheap, and available at drugstores!

Yep, this is dirt cheap, huge bottle, and works wonders for me in Miami humidity. I think a lot of curlies are afraid of the high protein content thou.

Jas76 01-30-2013 10:46 AM

Oh. See, my hair adores protein so I never even think about that.

However I can't say I get many "protein-y" effects from it. It still might be worth a try.

anonymous_133347 01-30-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rmc2 (Post 2110857)
Duaalocks, not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it. I live in the Wash DC Metro area where it has been freezing cold lately, and still have no problems using products with glycerin. Explanation is clearer online but my quick reason is that so long as your hair is well moisturized with water in the first place, the glycerin will be "well fed" and too full to pull that moisture (which it can't find in the air) of your hair. To refresh hair on no wash days, I use my bottle spray filled with water to revive my curls.

I tend to style with my leave in first, then squeeze out excess moisture, then put in gel. Maybe if I applied the glycerin gels to my hair when it is sopping wet and change things around? :neutral: I'm not sure. (Hey I lived in DC metro area once too! But only for three months and during the summer.) Anyways I will have to google it and experiment more. It just seems that every time I use a gel with glycerine and especially if I leave it in for more than a day (don't wash the next) my hair gets so dry. But it might just be that the protein content in these gels (argan ecostyler, devacurl) might be over-strengthening my coarse hair. The reason why I thought it was the glycerin is one time on day three hair I went to wash it and my hair was so dry and tangled and awful feeling. I went back and looked at the dew points and they'd been extra low those three days. I've experimented since with these products on days in which it was raining and the dew point was higher. Not as bad but there was a discernible difference in comparison to days in which I style with my BFF, kinky curly curling custard. Oh man. I wish I had a hair twin who could do all these tests for me.

anonymous_133347 01-30-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elizard (Post 2111017)
I live in Dc too and I can't use glycerin right now. I have better results with kccc like you, but FYI aloe is a humectant.

Is it now? See this is why I love coming on here. My hair seems to like aloe. I just bought some aloe juice (per rmc2's advice) and am going to try it out as a gel. We'll see.

rmc2 01-31-2013 07:53 AM

Dusalocks, I meant aloe Vera gel not juice. yesterday I used a revised formula which i like: 3 tbsp aloe Vera gel and 1 tbsp jojoba oil and 1 1/2 tsp
Glycerin. The latter made my hair 100% crunch free. without it you may have a bit (although not major) of crunch. I know some of you hate glycerin during the winter but my hair loves it. Trick is to make sure there is enough Moisture (water) in your hair to prevent the glycerin from drying hair.

RizosMio 01-31-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rmc2 (Post 2110857)
Duaalocks, not being able to use humectants (ie glycerin) in winter and/or dry weather is a MYTH. Google it. I live in the Wash DC Metro area where it has been freezing cold lately, and still have no problems using products with glycerin. Explanation is clearer online but my quick reason is that so long as your hair is well moisturized with water in the first place, the glycerin will be "well fed" and too full to pull that moisture (which it can't find in the air) of your hair. To refresh hair on no wash days, I use my bottle spray filled with water to revive my curls.

I agree, there isn't any actual proof that glycerin absorbs moisture from the hair.

What probably happens is that (depending on the weather/product application/our porosity, etc) our hair is not moisturized enough before we step out, so glycerin doesn't have a chance to behave as it should from the get-go.

Before leaving the house, try steaming your hair. Or create a moist environment by running the hot shower for a bit to allow the glycerin product to bind to the steam. If you just dislike glycerin in general, try making your own gel. All you need is flaxseed and water :wink:

rbb 01-31-2013 09:15 AM

i can only tell how my hair reacts to glycerin in low dews, and it's bad!! (however, i need to add that it also must depend on the formulation of the product because there are one or two that i can us, cj honey butta is one of them).

for glycerin-free gels the two that i use are curl junkie pattern pusha gel (i scrunch it in after my hair is dry) and LALSG, but even tho i use leave in, there is something in lalsg that tends to dry out my hair. btw, cj pp is also protein free. another glycerin-free gel is curl junkie curl queen.

kathymack 01-31-2013 09:57 AM

I live in the Philly suburbs, but also have a house in WV about an hour west of DC--so am in similar climate(s.) I don't have any issues with glycerin despite the really low (-6 last week) or high dewpoints in both of these areas. For me, the trick is to use a REALLY rich (moisturizing product) on soaking wet hair prior to adding jelly type product (no chemicals, especially polyquats.) Last week, in the really low dewpoints, I used minute amounts of DTs as my first product on--it worked really well.

rmc2 01-31-2013 10:45 AM

KathyMack, happy to see we think alike regarding glycerin!

anonymous_133347 01-31-2013 10:57 AM

You know it might be that I reapply a bit of diluted gel the day afterwards to fix second day hair and that may be drying it out. But I don't like having to rewet my entire head in the morning if I can help it. I can dampen it. . . It's cold out there! (And I live in Southern California.) What do you guys do to "fix" second day hair using gels with glycerin? Do I have to reapply leave in then gel because I think I've tried that too and it was still extra dry when I went to shower eventually. (Again, I realize it may be the protein drying me out and I have to experiment more.) Since I found out about them I'm trying to avoid products with polyquats now. At least in excess. So I'm not using my devacurl gel too frequently. I may give it to a friend. I just don't like the idea of plastic or synthetic derivatives in my hair since, if they are anything like silicones, it makes me hair matted, frizzy, and not so shiny.

kathymack 01-31-2013 12:54 PM

I've wet my hair every day for as long as I've won it curly--about 33 years, I think. Started using products in '07 when I started lurking on nc.com. I always went to work with wet hair, even when it was REALLY cold out (and I live outside of Philly.)

My hair prefers the more natural products from the online, boutique type companies.

rmc2 01-31-2013 12:55 PM

Dusalocks I only apply water to 2nd day etc hair. I dont apply more gel. I use a spray bottle and use just enough water to allow me to be able to shake my 4a curls to revive them. Maybe I use no more than 4 tbsp worth of water. I myself don't mind going out with wet hair regardless of weather. Anyhow I get in my car and my 45-60 minute ride with heat on (if cold) helps dry hair. But if you have longer hair and/or type 3 and below, it may behave differently. Not sure though

rmc2 01-31-2013 12:56 PM

I Cowash wednesday and Saturdays and refresh the other days with my water spray

ltdeforrest 01-31-2013 01:27 PM

I don't have quite the same hair properties as you, but I will share my experiences with glycerin. I live in the Pacific Northwest and it is currently rainy and cold. I find that even if I use a deep conditioner as a leave in on my dry hair, I still cannot use anything with glycerin! If I do, it feels okay at first, but by the end of the day my hair is super dry and tangly. Yesterday it rained all day and I tried a new curl cream (mop-c curl defining cream) which I bought because it didn't have glycerin listed on the ingredients on the website. When I received it in the mail, glycerin is listed about halfway down in the ingredients. I was so bummed but decided to try it since it has such great reviews. My hair felt fine in the morning, but was soooooo dry by the end of the day. Aloe seems to be fine on my hair so I don't know yet if I have to avoid all other humectants or not. I also have found that I have to be careful about which proteins I use. My hair likes keratin best, although soy is ok as well. I also find that my hair tolerates it best if I only use it in a product I rinse out. I can't leave anything in my hair that has protein unless it's VERY far down on the ingredient list and I can't do that more than once a week. I usually low poo every 2 or 3 days so I suppose if I didn't use shampoo I might have to avoid it altogether. I love the new Evercurl Hydracharge leave in cream, but it has the a-cone in it and the fragrance is almost too strong for me. It is the only product in that line (other than the oil) that is glycerin free. I use it about once a week and always get good results.

rmc2 01-31-2013 01:46 PM

Itdeforrest, hmm! Interesting. Have u considered using Flax seed gel (FSG)? There are various recipes online but one uses a ratio of 4 tbsp FS to 2 cups water. You can add ie 1 tbsp jojoba oil to it. Looks like you may need to "seal" hair with an oil to prevent the moisture from leaving your hair. Good sealants include jojoba, sweet almond, sawflower and grapeseed oil. Maybe you should experiment with applying this on top of whatever you are now using to see if it makes a difference.


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