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anonymous_133347 02-02-2013 07:51 PM

Texture vs. Porosity - Experienced Curlies Please Chime In
 
Which plays a bigger role for you and why? Also how did you figure out which was more important? I've heard plenty of experienced curlies saying it look a lot of experimenting. I don't mind experimenting so long as I do it drug store style since one of my resolutions was to save more.

Anyways, I think my coarse texture plays a big role because I've liked several products recommended for coarse curlies such as kinky curly and curl creams. Then again I think my porosity is a big deal too. At first I was thinking I was highly porous because before going CG I styled fairly regularly with heat but I'm rethinking that now because I've noticed my roots are what dry first when I get out of the shower. Honest they're dry in five minutes! I have to rewet them sometimes when I style. And my roots haven't really been touched with a blowdryer or a straightening iron yet. So maybe that I'm naturally porous. . . :sad3: Bummer. But my hair dries faster. :thumbup: I guess everybody's hair is a mixed blessing.

I have big plans to try a protein treatment sometime next week. Does that sound like a reasonable enough test? I know highly porous hair likes protein.

Aqua_Lily 02-02-2013 08:39 PM

Interesting.

Product choosing wise, I think my texture plays a bigger role. I have fine hair and my hair loves protein, so I make sure that I get enough protein to strengthen my hair.

However porosity is important to me, too. I want to grow my hair to my hips. I have medium porosity, and I make sure it retains enough moisture. I seal my hair. I also choose some oils and products with oils that have small molecules; I want the oils to penetrate my hair and nourish/strengthen it.

All in all they're both important in their own ways :)

Btw yes I think you should definitely test whether your hair likes protein... the more you get to know about your hair the better, and even protein sensitive hair needs protein every now and then. Porous hair tends to like protein, but coarse hair does not. I don't know how strong the protein treatment you have in mind is?

NvmbrCurlss 02-02-2013 08:49 PM

Although I'm not a curl vet, I'd like to share:

For me, texture played a big role in technique, (rinsing, combing, drying and styling needs) and porosity a big role in product usage, (protein, emollients, humectants), but there were also factors, (dews, temp...), that altered those needs... I believe, even after u have identified these factors you must submit to trial and error, as no one factor will better identify ur hair than ur curly own experiences:)


3B, Fine, Med D, Norm P&E
LowP: Kinky Curly CC (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Tropical Coconut/VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT/ CJBCLI/HETT (mixed w/ GSO)

anonymous_133347 02-02-2013 08:50 PM

I was thinking I'd whip up a protein treatment at home. Eggs, mayo, a little bit of olive oil-that sort of thing. That way I won't have to buy anything I might not use more than once. Although I don't have or like mayonnaise. Hmmm. I'm sure I can borrow some from a neighbor. Or would it be better to get a commercial protein treatment from the drugstore? I don't know where eggs and mayonnaise fall on the spectrum of heavy duty proteins.

How and where do I learn about small molecules and moisture penetration? That sounds interesting. I guess I could google it.

anonymous_133347 02-02-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvmbrCurlss (Post 2113345)
Although I'm not a curl vet, I'd like to share:

For me, texture played a big role in technique, (rinsing, combing, drying and styling needs) and porosity a big role in product usage, (protein, emollients, humectants), but there were also factors, (dews, temp...), that altered those needs... I believe, even after u have identified these factors you must submit to trial and error, as no one factor will better identify ur hair than ur curly own experiences:)


3B, Fine, Med D, Norm P&E
LowP: Kinky Curly CC (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Tropical Coconut/VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT/ CJBCLI/HETT (mixed w/ GSO)


NO! NvmbrCurlss NOOOO! Shortcuts, please! :angel8:

NvmbrCurlss 02-02-2013 08:57 PM

Amino acids and hydrolyzed proteins will penetrate easiest. Eggs aren't easily washed out of hair, (especially in anything other than cold water), so u may want a commercial brand, (suave coconut or most VO5's will do). I must also remind you that one protein test may not suffice, as many curlies find their hair hates some proteins and likes others...on the other hand, using what's at home is a win-win start ;)


3B, Fine, Med D, Norm P&E
LowP: Kinky Curly CC (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Tropical Coconut/VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT/ CJBCLI/HETT (mixed w/ GSO)

Aqua_Lily 02-02-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dusalocks (Post 2113346)
I was thinking I'd whip up a protein treatment at home. Eggs, mayo, a little bit of olive oil-that sort of thing. That way I won't have to buy anything I might not use more than once. Although I don't have or like mayonnaise. Hmmm. I'm sure I can borrow some from a neighbor. Or would it be better to get a commercial protein treatment from the drugstore? I don't know where eggs and mayonnaise fall on the spectrum of heavy duty proteins.

How and where do I learn about small molecules and moisture penetration? That sounds interesting. I guess I could google it.

That protein treatment is very popular, I hear mostly good reviews. I'd say try it. And like you said, it's cheap.

Oils that DO NOT penetrate the hair (but are therefore good for 'sealing hair'):
- Jojoba
- Apricot
- Grapeseed
- Sweet almond
- Evening primrose

Oils that DO penetrate the hair:
- Coconut
- Olive
- Avocado
- Palm
- Argan
- Sunflower Seed
- Meadowfoam seed
- Shea butter

And I believe aloe vera gel is in between.

Also, like NvmbrCurlss said, dew points also played a BIG role for me. The humidity here is so high even in winter, I'm banning humectants in my leave in and styling products.

And of course, density and length decide how much I use of everything.

redcelticcurls 02-02-2013 09:10 PM

For me, texture plays a larger role. In the winter, my hair cannot stand any protein at all, and my hair is quite porous. It's instant hay hair. I do better with moisture and sealing. I think that fine hair of any porosity is more tolerant to protein than coarse, porous hair.

In high (65F and up) dew points, my hair can handle protein (keratin only) in decent amounts. I think that, for coarse hair, protein isn't always the best way to deal with high porosity. It can't be 'fixed' the way some protein treatments claim to fix it. If it's porous due to damage, damage isn't fixable, just bandage-able. If one is naturally porous, nothing is changing how it grows out of your head (hormones and medications excluded).

I just feel that sealing can be just as or more effective for dealing with porosity than protein is, especially in low dewpoints when coarse, porous hair needs a lot of moisture.

NvmbrCurlss 02-02-2013 09:17 PM

^^^ Word, redcelticurls.


3B, Fine, Med D, Norm P&E
LowP: Kinky Curly CC (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Tropical Coconut/VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT/ CJBCLI/HETT (mixed w/ GSO)

Cau 02-03-2013 07:09 AM

You can try this Gelatin Protein Treatment (homemade):

Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

Gelatin is hydrolyzed protein, and you can add one oil from Aqua_Lily's list.

RizosMio 02-03-2013 12:40 PM

Texture over porosity for me, hands down. But my texture and my porosity "agree," in the sense that both characteristics call for minimal protein.

I think things start getting real interesting when they don't agree, like a coarse-haired high porosity curly. In this instance, I would listen to texture and be very cautious around protein, always on the hunt for one that doesn't bother it though. If I were a fine-haired low-po, I would feed my hair all the protein it can eat and just work on technique so that it absorbs it, things like warming up products or using steam, opening the cuticles in general.

I think texture should definitely be catered to... one can always work around porosity.

anonymous_133347 02-03-2013 01:36 PM

Thank you so much everyone. This is exactly what I needed. :blob2:

Nvbrcurlss - What you wrote makes sense because so far I suspect my hair might hate the hydrolyzed wheat protein in my argan ecostyler :laughing2: (although it might have been the glycerin drying me out?) But that it obviously doesn't mind the soy protein (which I know is one of the lighter ones) in my conditioner. And it may not mind the silk protein in my SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie because it's been a few weeks and I have yet to have an adverse reaction.

Aqua_lily - Thanks for supplying that helpful list again. How could I not have put two and two together? Small molecules in the EVOO and the like since you already mentioned they penetrate the hair shaft. . .

redcelticcurls - Thanks again! I do seal with jojoba oil and love it. I just pat a little on between my leave in and gel. It keeps my hair hydrated and I believe contributes to shine. You've got me curious about keratin. Maybe I should try that kpak people were talking about as my protein treatment tester. And maybe I should apply it only to the bottom 2/3 of my hair (which would be the more "damaged" area) for the bandaid effect. But then it is easier to do a home treatment first. I have yet to experience overconditioning so you're right when you say our hair is thirsty and just needs lots of moisture. Plus I live in a (while not too cold) fairly arid climate. It really doesn't help my poor curls. :angry2:

Cau - Thank you! Another contender. It looks super easy to make. Especially with the microwavable option. I think I heard Jas mention this one in passing. I was all "Gelatin? Really?" I learn so much from this site.

Rizosmio - Sounds very reasonable to me. I think the livecurlylivefree philosphy is also texture comes first because when I got my hair analysis and advice they went with "avoid proteins at all cost!" (It was a bit of a shock because I'd been expecting my texture and porosity to be medium.) Actually it said some coarse curlies can tolerate proteins in their styling products but that's the exception to the rule. I'm wondering about the more medium textured hairs around my nape and underlayers though. They also seem to be a lower porosity because they're smoother and I can slide my fingers up them easier. And they're curlier! Why can't hair be all one texture and a porosity that agrees with it and less of a mystery overall. :confused5:


Anyways, I've had pretty dry hair all my life but it's also resilient to breakage and I've never seen a split end. . . so I think it's safe to experiment a little.


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