Kinky Curly Knot Today? Love it or hate it?

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It doesn't seem to be working well for me, and I'm trying to identify what the problem is. When I use it, my hair is very weighed down, and I only use a tiny bit (and then rinse most of that out). I'm low porosity, so that could be an issue, or maybe there's a problem ingredient. I'm also still fairly new at all of this, so maybe I'm doing something wrong? Could others say how much you use and how you apply it?
Originally Posted by Hootenanny
I don't think it's too heavy for you because I see that you use SM products. I use a lot of really rich products, but don't use the SM products because they are too "heavy" for me--if you can understand the difference.

Some products just aren't for some hair. If you get great hair from other things, that's all that matters.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Kathymack, I agree. I can't imagine how KCKT could be too heavy for me, given the products I typically use. I just wish I knew why KCKT ruins my curls! When I use it, everything goes totally flat! This is the only product that does this. So weird.
Medium/coarse, low porosity, dense, mix of 3s
CG (again) since Nov. 2012

Cleanse: SM Moisture Retention, Elucence MBC, KC Come Clean
Condish: Giovanni DL, Cure Care, Ion Treatment, GVP Balm, AOHR
Protein: AOGPB, CNPF, SSRPT
Stylers: KCCC, SM Souffle, AOMM, SS CEJ, JCRR, JCCC


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Hmmm well it sounds like you and HoC have given it enough of a chance. Kick it to the curb, I say. (If only you could kick it onto my curb, LOL .) What works for some might not work for all. It isn't your fault, it's the knot today's. Might be the semi-high PH (7) of the product? That made my brow pucker but my hair seems to like it so . . .
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Ugh, wouldn't you know, I told my husband to give it a try. You know those people who do conditioner only styling? Yeah, his curls were beautiful, shiny and full (he's thinning in the top so the full part is key). He's in love with it, while for me.....ick. I'm thinking summer when I might need it for more humid climates? Maybe it will do more for me?
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
Ok, I found a use for my kckt. I discovered that when my hair dries and I have that nasty halo frizz, or whatever, if I smooth kckt over it, it smoothes it all down and really pretties my hair up, I'll try to get some pics.
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Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
KCKT doesn't have that large an ingredient list -- perhaps you can isolate something that's in there but not in your other products?

Me, I love the stuff. Oddly, I don't like KCCC -- it gives me weird gumminess and frizz. These things can be unpredictable!
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Wurly and proud!
Modified CG since 2008.
You know the funny thing about KCKT. My hair used to love this stuff. I would hoard it. Fight with my sister whenever she would use my stash of it. I stopped using it for about 4 months to try out other leave ins. And I revisited it about 3 weeks ago, and it made my hair so tangled and ratty and I had absolutely no moisture.

I used to live for this stuff. It was the best detangler ever for me, but the thrill is gone.
Holy Grails:
Cowash: DevaCurl No Poo or As I Am Coconut Wash
Conditioner: Giovanni Tea Tree Tingle
Leave-in: Paul Mitchell the Conditioner
Styling Products: EcoStyler Olive Oil Gel
Oils: Coconut oil. Carol's Daughter Hair Balm.
Deep Conditioner: Shea Moisture African Black Soap Purification Masque (also a great detangler and cleanser)
Here's how it turned out today. My curls look strange on the end in this pic, not sure why, but it was the only one in focus.

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Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
There was a thread awhile back about leave-ins with slip verses those with 'stick'. I've been lurking and reading through lots of back posts for 2 months so I'm not sure when/where it was posted but the gist was that less slip is better for looser/wavy curl patterns. Since KCKT, the new shea moisture leave-in and the 4naturals wavy serum all cause my hair to go limp and straight unless I use minuscule amounts I assumed this was the issue. There were a few 'sticky' leave-ins mentioned so I started using GDLI and like it much better.

I'll try and find the post and edit with a link if I find it again.

Okay, found this post with links to the thread I originally read and a blog too! I'm off to read some more.
What are some sticky, "grabby" leave-ins?
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!

Last edited by Lynaea; 02-08-2013 at 05:16 PM.
Interesting. I remember those threads. I don't seem to fit the mold since I'm more of a wavy, and I don't tangle, but I prefer the slippy ones. The grabby ones tend to leave me limp. My hair is a little on the fine side -- don't know if that would be a factor or not!

Wurly and proud!
Modified CG since 2008.
Ooooh it's my favorite paired w/ the KCKT. My hair is jawlength bob & I only use about a quarter sized amount & try to mainly focus on the outer portion of my hair (not so much into the roots). Immediately follow w/ KCCC (like a big gumball size)
Type: 2c, medium/high porosity, high density, course.
Cleanse: Curls unleashed shampoo
Leave-in: KCKT, Curlsunleashed leave in.
Style: Argan oil
DT: Aussie 3 min. miracle or olive/coconut oil.
I love KCKT but it's pricey and sometimes i need something with a little more oil??? It works great when I had long hair but now i have a bob and its kinda pointless. Its light and I use it alot but if I have short hair i will not be buying this for a long time oh and too much in my hair makes it sooo goopy for other products ;/
I love kckt. I use it as a leave in. it gives me alot of slip and detangles my hair. I don't know if this makes sense but it makes my hair feel so "plump" and smooth when Its wet and I only use about a nickle size amount for my bsl hair. I have very fine, very porous 3a hair that I dye monthly and still have tons of damage from years of highlighting.
I love kckt. I use it as a leave in. it gives me alot of slip and detangles my hair. I don't know if this makes sense but it makes my hair feel so "plump" and smooth when Its wet and I only use about a nickle size amount for my bsl hair. I have very fine, very porous 3a hair that I dye monthly and still have tons of damage from years of highlighting.
Originally Posted by Dsotomayor
Your hair is similar to mine then. Mines a 2c/3a mix though. Maybe I just need less. It works really nicely if I smooth it over dry frizzy hair. I find that it takes down any frizz and I totally get the plump feel. My hair seems to clump together when I smooth it over and it tricks me into thinking my hair is thick. Lol!
Rae ~ 2c/3a ~
Wife to a 3c Curly Guy
Mom to a straight and a curly.


"The Longer the Hair, the Bigger the Blob."

Porous, very dense but fine hair. Medium everything else.
CoWash: Tressemee naturals
RO: Generic biolage and generic joico k-pak
LI: Tresemee
Miss Jessie's Pillow soft curls, diffuse 50%, add KCCC and diffuse to 80%.
Always wash upside down.
Hey hair twin, let me know if you have any luck with this one! Lol!
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
I've been doing CG since mid October, and I just bought some KCKT. Every time I have used it my hair is nasty. floppy and gross, just flat and almost...I guess maybe over-conditioned?
Am I the only one? like, everyone I've read about loves it? What could be the thing making my hair hate it? Does anyone else find it too heavy? I dont know, it's so weird. I love the KCCC!!
Argh. $12 down the drain.
Originally Posted by Houseofcurls
Like lots of curlies here KCKT is a HG for me too, see sig.
That said...kckt should be applied in SMALL amounts to wet hair....and it does not play nice w/oils or oily products. If you can try it w/another line other than Shea.
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Back on the CG wagon!
Hair Type: 2c/3a winter, low porosity, protein sensitive
(Cleanse w/Distilled water only)
Shampoo: Baking soda & brown sugar
Condish: Sauve Naturals green apple or aloe waterlily
Rinse: ACV
LI: Kinky Curly Knot Today
Styler: homemade flaxseed gel, topped w/KC Spiral Spritz
DT: veg. glycerin mixed w/conditioner
"Life's a garden. Dig it."
Maybe I'm breaking the rules but I've been using the two leaves in lately. KCKT today first, then the SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie. They seem to play well. Also KCKT plays well with jojoba oil for me when I use that to seal. But I think that's because of my high porosity. My hair absorbs everything!
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

KCKT works wonders with my GSO and EVOO!
3B, Fine, Normal P, Normal E, Low-Med D
LowP: Kinky Curly Come Clean (50% EVOO)
NoP: As I Am CC
RO: Suave Coconut, VO5 Shea Cashmere
LI: KCKT or CJBCLI or HETT/HENOYF (w/ 8 drops GSO)


"To much is given, much is expected"
I seem to be having the same issue as the OP: All of my attempts to use KCKT have made my hair (fine, mixed porosity, 2b/2c) a gummy mess with no definition. My waves get 'floppy' and look like frayed ropes.

I'm having trouble determining the cause, since its list of ingredients is so short and none of them are known objectionable ones for me (e.g. glycerin). It might be that the KCKTis causing a gross reaction with my styling products? Usually I'm using Ouidad Define & Shine Gel-Cream over it. I had no issues with the results from that product (especially after de-crunching) until now...
My hair loves absolutely everything: proteins, oils, polyquats, glycerin, and all the other things that usually cause folks problems, but it hates KCKT. I'm still just totally baffled. The only possible thing that I can think is that it hates behentrimonium methosulfate, but even that would be odd since it does fine with behentrimonium chloride. It's all very bizarre, but I guess I should count myself lucky if this is the only product I really can't use.
Medium/coarse, low porosity, dense, mix of 3s
CG (again) since Nov. 2012

Cleanse: SM Moisture Retention, Elucence MBC, KC Come Clean
Condish: Giovanni DL, Cure Care, Ion Treatment, GVP Balm, AOHR
Protein: AOGPB, CNPF, SSRPT
Stylers: KCCC, SM Souffle, AOMM, SS CEJ, JCRR, JCCC


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