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Old 02-12-2013, 09:26 AM   #1
 
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Default So confused about stuff that removes 'cones...

So I've heard conflicting information about the removal of 'cones.

I've heard that only sulfates can remove cones, and so if you don't use sulfates, you can't use cones, because otherwise the cones will cause buildup.

But I've also heard that some other, non-harsh ingredient (maybe Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate (Coconut Oil)? I don't remember...some ingredient that's in Shea Moisture shampoos) can remove cones too.

I really would like to know this, because I've eliminated sulfates but I have some pricey hair products that contain cones, and if there are any sulfate-free shampoos (like the SM shampoos I own) can remove them, then that would be awesome.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:37 AM   #2
 
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Anything is coco betaine should remove cones. There are several low poos that have it - I use Organix Shea.

There is some "controversy" over whether the glucocides in SM's poos will remove cones or not. The general opinion is no, but there is some other evidence for yes. So that may have to be trial and error, idk.

Some cones are water soluble and don't need anything but very mild surficants such as those found in your conditioner to remove them. (Water rinsing may even be enough.)

There is an article on here called "what's the scoop with silicones" or something like that - I don't have time to link it right now, but a search should bring it up very quickly. It gives a list of which cones are soluble and which aren't, and some other cone info. (Though it seems some of this info may be incomplete or over generalized.)

So if you use up your coney products and low poo even a couple times a week with coco betaine, you SHOULD be ok.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:45 AM   #3
 
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Ooo thanks! I should look into that =)
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:18 AM   #4
 
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Why don't you just not stress and play it by ear? I think buildup is relative to people's individual hairtypes and porosities anyways. Use your SM low poos and if that's not enough go pick up the Organix one. Also Tresemme Naturals makes a lower sulfate content shampoo that might be gentler on your hair.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:07 PM   #5
 
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I think if your products are costly and you haven't had any issues with build up from cones then don't worry too much about it. There is a lot of conflicting information out there, I just use what my hair likes and it works for me without any issues. My sulfate free shampoo the loreal evercreme removes everything from my hair without stripping and I only use it every two weeks or so.
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