How can I get LESS clumping?

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See normally clumping would be good except my hair is very fine so I look like I have half the hair I really do. I want my curls/waves to separate and have more volume. I have a big head so flat hair looks bad on me
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
Would it help if I stop plopping?
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
for me, less product would make for less clumping. If I didn't use any product, my hair would be a big bush
What I do on the days I don't want clumping is when I'm done co washing in the shower and I've rinsed the conditioner out I take my wide tooth comb and while my hair is under the water I comb each half of my hair a few times. Combing under the water helps eliminate any frizz as opposed to trying to separate the curls after you get out of the shower and the combing helps separate and prevent a lot of clumping. Then I just apply my products when I get out as usual.


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Skorpio, try raking your products (leave in, gel, what have you) in then scrunching up. You get more even product distribution that way and still good curl formation. (At least I do. They're just skinnier curls.) The only problem with me is I hate doing this because I have voluminous thick-stranded hair. Clumps are the only thing that keep me from looking like Side Show Bob. But if I had finer hair, I imagine this technique would work better.
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I do rake my products and then scrunch. I'm wondering if the plopping isn't helping though. I'll have to experiment without plopping and doing my usual raking and scrunching and see how it goes. :-/
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
I have the same problem! My hair is so fine and thin - I want volume.
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Natural hair color - dark brunette
Fine, thinish hair/3a, 3b
I've found thinner gels tend to give me smaller clumps. I've had good results getting thinner clumps with Biotera Gel, GVP Liquid Sculpting Gel, AG Curl Liquid Effects Gel, and Curly Sexy Hair Liquid Curling Gel (all CG), as well as Ouidad Climate Control Gel (not CG). If you're not strict CG, I've also heard some people anecdotally say that silicone styling products also seem to give them thinner clumps. Since I pretty much always use thin gels now I can't really say if I see a difference with silicones or not.

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CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
Thanks! I might look into the AG one. I'm not CG lol I just use what works
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
What you're describing fits me too. Seems all I practically have to do is think about ringlets or clumping and it happens LOL. Raking definitely encourages extreme clumping for me! It basically just encourages larger sections of hair to stick together. Instead you might want to use a comb or Denman brush - something with plenty of teeth or bristles that are close together IMO.

Also, I agree about using a less heavy gel, or less gel. Also, using product with less "slip" may help too. Anything w/slip makes me clump like crazy. Things containing pectin and marshmallow root seem to create super-clumps for me also (KCCC makes my hair look like waves of taffy intermingled with telephone cord-like curls). ... Anything that is meant to "set" the hair in place makes it wind into each other a lot unless I use it in moderation. But it's actually a look I don't mind and I just pull some of the curls apart later.
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What you're describing fits me too. Seems all I practically have to do is think about ringlets or clumping and it happens LOL. Raking definitely encourages extreme clumping for me! It basically just encourages larger sections of hair to stick together. Instead you might want to use a comb or Denman brush - something with plenty of teeth or bristles that are close together IMO.

Also, I agree about using a less heavy gel, or less gel. Also, using product with less "slip" may help too. Anything w/slip makes me clump like crazy. Things containing pectin and marshmallow root seem to create super-clumps for me also (KCCC makes my hair look like waves of taffy intermingled with telephone cord-like curls). ... Anything that is meant to "set" the hair in place makes it wind into each other a lot unless I use it in moderation. But it's actually a look I don't mind and I just pull some of the curls apart later.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Surprisingly, I found that using a denman brush gave me the opposite result. I ended up with much thicker clumps than when I didn't use it. A regular wide tooth comb seemed to work better for me.
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I've notice that when I squeeze out most of the water before I scrunch in my styling products I get thinner clumps. Water makes my hair clump nicely so the less soaked my hair is the smaller the clumps are. Try after your LI scrunching your hair with a MF towel or T-shirt till its wet but not soaking wet and then scrunching in the gel or mousse.
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skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.
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Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

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I've notice that when I squeeze out most of the water before I scrunch in my styling products I get thinner clumps. Water makes my hair clump nicely so the less soaked my hair is the smaller the clumps are. Try after your LI scrunching your hair with a MF towel or T-shirt till its wet but not soaking wet and then scrunching in the gel or mousse.
Originally Posted by longlivecurls
Yep! Was going to suggest this! The "wetter" your hair, the more clumping. So try towel scrunching it first, the. Apply products.

The other thing you can try is waiting until it's dry, flipping your head over, slide your fingers into you hair along the scalp and loosen by shaking your hands back and forth. I do this at the end of the day sometimes if my hair is too ringlet-y in places.
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Great thread! I just posted about how my lowest layer in the back clumps into like 4-5 ringlets with spaces between them. Makes my hair look straggly. 😟
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Here is a pic showing how bad it is:

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3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



Idk, Jules... Having a hard time feeling bad for you there... Lol!
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2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Idk, Jules... Having a hard time feeling bad for you there... Lol!
Originally Posted by Jas76
You don't think it looks straggly? Is that even a word? LOL
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3A/B? A corkicelli mix of ringlets, spirals, helixes & s-shaped curls
Medium-fine texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity


Summer: pink; Winter: Blue; Year Round: green
Lo-Poo:Giovanni SAS sulfate free poo, L'Oreal Evercream CC
Co-wash: TNRV, VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea, TNNM
RO/LI:
YTC, Nexxus Hydra-light w/ CNPF GVPCB, Biolage CB, TNNM, Giovanni SAS
Styler: KCCC FSG, BRHG, LALSG



skorpio, if you ever find anyone who can help you out in the haircut department, I do think layers might help with the clumping. When hair is all one length, it tends to stick together and wind around itself more, forming larger clumps. When you have different lengths it's more piecey and you have more individual clumps and volume. It might not be the products or the method so much, but that your hair just needs shaping.
Originally Posted by dusalocks
See now the answer too clumping is beginning to look somewhat subjective lol. Layers don't seem to affect clumping for me anymore than when my hair was all one length.
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