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Old 02-19-2013, 09:34 PM   #1
 
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Default Hair tangley and limp.

My hair the last week has been very prone to tangled with super limp curls! It was so bad I have to confess...I got out the flat iron and went totally straight!

What does tangly and limp usually mean to us curly girls? My hair is medium porous. I am not using cones and no shampoo. Cowashing only. Help!

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Old 02-19-2013, 09:45 PM   #2
 
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maybe you need a protein treatment?
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:08 PM   #3
 
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I noticed that when i use too much protein (keratin specifically) my hair gets like that. Now i make it a habit that everytime i do a protein treatment i follow with a protein free or other type of protein deep conditioner.

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Old 02-20-2013, 10:08 PM   #4
 
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Hmmm ok. I haven't done a protein treatment ... Not even sure what that is?
It seems dry. What could I use to moisturize?

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Old 02-21-2013, 07:29 AM   #5
 
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Hey, as I think more about this-could my hair be getting dry since its so used to silicones and I no longer use them?
How could I do a protein treatment DIY? I would prefer to make my own instead of buying something. Maybe with egg whites?
Also, how could I do a at home moisture treatment? I tried EVOO on some dry bits last week and it gave me the greasies.
Thanks for all your lady's advice! I am really trying to stick with this whole curly thing
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:19 AM   #6
 
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Here's my PT/DT routine:

I usually do a low poo or clarifying wash first

Then I take 2 packs of gelatin (you'd probably just want 1), mix it with about 1/8 cup cool water (I don't actually measure that - but it's apx that much).

Then I microwave it for a few seconds (maybe 30 or so?) so it gets nice and hot and bubbles up.

Then I add a pinch of Epsom, a little EVCO, and about 1Tbsp of ACV, and some AVG. (maybe 3-5 pumps?)

I mix all that before I shower, let it cool a bit while I poo and detangle, then wring the excess water (and remaining condish) from my hair. Then I apply the PT. I put a bag over my head, and twist it tightly and tuck the end under. Then I just let the warm shower water run over the bag keeping it warm while I shave and such.

Then I rinse it out and condition! I sometimes DT then, or I may just try to wait until the next day. Either way my DT's are the same - I use my most rich RO, or perhaps a "cocktail" of my best RO's, and add honey, EVOO, and a dash of ACV to them. You can leave that in as long as you like, apply heat or not, whatever you like.

My hair is NEVER better than after a gelatin PT. Of course my hair loves protein, which bears mentioning.

Those are my DIY treatments!
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Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
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Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:23 AM   #7
 
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Also - is your hair porous? If so A.) it will be more likely to love protein, and b.) you might benefit from sealing before styling.

There are several other recipes for gelatin PT's on here. AIgirl has a thread on it somewhere!
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Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
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Also - is your hair porous? If so A.) it will be more likely to love protein, and b.) you might benefit from sealing before styling.

There are several other recipes for gelatin PT's on here. AIgirl has a thread on it somewhere!
I use IAgirl's PT recipe. I absolutely love it. (in fact, currently considering ordering gelatin in bulk canisters)

Here is the recipe: IAgirl's Protein Treatment recipe thread!

It's simpler and doesn't involve many ingredients. I'm interested in trying out your variation though, Jas!

I have fine, low-porosity hair (I'm pretty sure) and my hair loves it. I started with about half a packet of gelatin when I didn't know how my hair would respond. I have short but very dense hair and I now use a whole pack, leave it in for about 5 min, rinse well (give my scalp a good scrubbing), and follow with a DT. For my DT, I just mix a tablespoon of honey with my normal rinse-out conditioner, and leave it in under a shower cap for about an hour.
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Old 02-21-2013, 08:50 AM   #9
 
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Gelatin?! As in unflavored gelatin you use to make flaun and pies?! I am blown away!
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:38 AM   #10
 
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YUP! Plain Knox gelatin!!

Oh! And I add those things bc they help protein absorption and retention, that's all. (And I don't have a lot of time for leaving treatments in, so I need them to be as efficient as possible!)
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Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing

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Old 02-21-2013, 03:46 PM   #11
 
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Ok great. So I have heard people say "my hair hates protein". What does that mean? Like they did this treatment and their hair was ruined forever...or what?!
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:07 PM   #12
 
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Ok great. So I have heard people say "my hair hates protein". What does that mean? Like they did this treatment and their hair was ruined forever...or what?!
It just means protein made their hair dry or straw-like or just a frizzy mess. Hair that"loves" protein will usually look great after using a product that has it.
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:08 PM   #13
 
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Do any of your products have protein?

Some people's hair doesnt like protein (or sometimes certain proteins it hates, certain it likes). If it reacts badly it typically just gets dry and limp. Many people who have hair that DOES love protein still need a DT after a PT to counteract dryness.

Usually if you hair is unhappy after protein you just wash and DT and you are fine. It won't damage your hair, like a chemical process would, or even as much as a sulfate poo could.
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Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
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