Anyone else find it impossible to get volume?

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All I want are big, poofy, frizz-free curls. But it seems no matter what I try, volume is not on my hair's agenda.

Like many Curlies, I suffer most from flat top. There are always curls everywhere on my head, but there is zero lift to those curls. I have well-defined 3b curls, but they always seem to lay flat against my head. Especially with my body type, I feel like more volume will maximize how my curls look on me. But nothing seems to work. I apparently epically fail at using clips, so I've almost ruled them out. Besides, even if I got lift up top, that doesn't solve the hair around my face.

Here is a photo example of my hair today.
Anyone else find it impossible to get volume?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1361688263.516392.jpg

The ends of my hair look like they have more volume than they do because they are sitting on my shoulders and scrunching up in the photo. Like I said, well defined curls. No oomph. I want oomph. Any suggestions?

By the way, I haven't gotten the hair analysis done yet, but my personal educated guess is that I have medium texture and normal porosity. If that helps determine what might work.
3B/Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals or Giovanni Smooth As Silk Deeper Moisture
Conditioner: GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm
Leave-In: Giovanni Direct Leave-In
Anti-Frizz: Curl Keeper
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Scrunching Gel; LA Looks Sport Gel; LA Looks Nutra Curl; IC Hair Polisher Styling Gel
By looking at your picture, I'd hazard two guesses. First, and foremost, it looks like you are using a lot of product to obtain the frizz free curls. It's weighing your hair down. Do you scrunch out the crunch and try to free your curls from your scalp?? You can use your fingers from the underside to try to do some of that to help. The other thing that might help is a haircut with layers to lighten things up.
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How do you dry your hair? I have to diffuse to get any volume.
I agree with both above posts, I struggle to get volume too and have to diffuse otherwise my hair is really quite flat. I also find that using fingers against the scalp as km suggests helps with gaining a bit of volume. I do it as I have quite thin hair and it helps to cover the scalp show-through - a bit more volume is a pleasant side-effect!
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I find it impossible to get volume too!

The sad part is... I don't have a diffuser, so, i guess i need the layers that i am afraid to get.

Mix of 3C & 3B
Medium porosity
Low density
Medium width

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I kind of wish I could get my curls so flat to show length! I get flat top too, but it's still sort of poofy :S however, I also like lots of volume so I always loosen the roots with my fingers, so it ends up like this Anyone else find it impossible to get volume?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1361726162.683521.jpg






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I'm going to keep experimenting with product to see what I can improve in that area. I did diffuse my hair in this video, but I did it in a way that caused frizz. I'll be doing a deep conditioning treatment overnight tonight and I'll use the pixie curl method for drying in the morning. I've always sucked at diffusing upside down, but I'll try again with the pixie curl method.

I used my finger tips near the scalp to try to get some more volume. I did notice a little difference, but not to the extent I wanted by any means. I also attempted to take my wide tough comb and comb lightly outward away from my head by about 3/4ths of an inch. Noticed a little difference again, but not much.

I also plan to try doing a more extreme side part so I have more lift up toward my bangs.

I did get a layered haircut about 4 months ago. I won't be going to see that stylist again just because it wasn't quite what I was looking for. He did alright, but even with styling he proofed but didn't define and I just felt like a frizzy mess. I'm not ready to go for a haircut again just yet, but I did find a couple DevaCurl stylists in my area that I will go to in the future.
3B/Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals or Giovanni Smooth As Silk Deeper Moisture
Conditioner: GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm
Leave-In: Giovanni Direct Leave-In
Anti-Frizz: Curl Keeper
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Scrunching Gel; LA Looks Sport Gel; LA Looks Nutra Curl; IC Hair Polisher Styling Gel
I kind of wish I could get my curls so flat to show length! I get flat top too, but it's still sort of poofy :S however, I also like lots of volume so I always loosen the roots with my fingers, so it ends up like this Attachment 32009
Originally Posted by CurlyCarmenCurly
Your volume is precisely what I'm looking for. I'm pretty sure I can accomplish it. Just need to work at it!
3B/Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals or Giovanni Smooth As Silk Deeper Moisture
Conditioner: GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm
Leave-In: Giovanni Direct Leave-In
Anti-Frizz: Curl Keeper
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Scrunching Gel; LA Looks Sport Gel; LA Looks Nutra Curl; IC Hair Polisher Styling Gel
I also do what Curly Carmen Curly does. I ruffle the roots when my hair is dry sometimes and that gives me good root volume. I have to be very careful not to ruffle too much though because I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I fear too much volume. Especially the kind that makes me look like I've stuck my fingers in an electrical socket.
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Curlygirl, please dont take this too hard, but your hair is not like CurlyCarmen's. Totally different curl and texture. I would like my hair to lool full like hers also but I dont have her hair, she has a much tighter curl pattern. We have to work with what we've got!
I am aware it's different. That is obvious. I'm talking volume, though. In terms of where I would like it. Nobody's hair will be identical to the next. But "volume" means different things to different people. Maybe I should have been more specific. I just meant I want the volume mostly up top. I want wider hair I've seen it on girls with much looser curls than mine. I've seen it on most curl types and textures in some form. I have yet to figure it out with my hair.
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Co-Wash: Suave Naturals or Giovanni Smooth As Silk Deeper Moisture
Conditioner: GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm
Leave-In: Giovanni Direct Leave-In
Anti-Frizz: Curl Keeper
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Scrunching Gel; LA Looks Sport Gel; LA Looks Nutra Curl; IC Hair Polisher Styling Gel
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OMG can I have this alleged "problem". You ladies got it good.
I have the same issue and it doesn't help that my hair is bsl and heavy. I would love to have hair like curlyCarmen but like Myrna said her curl type and texture is different. I personally think volume all depends on hair properties such as curl type, strand width and density. My niece has around 3c/4a hair with fine strands/high density and she has lots of volume while my hair which is now 3a med/coarse strands doesn't. And she has long hair it just doesn't get weigh down she's so lucky lol. I think there is only so much volume we can attain naturally because of our properties. You can diffuse upside down and use mousse at the roots for extra volume but unless you get it professionally done won't ever look close to curlyCarmen. I've tried shaking gently at the crown but it didn't make much difference on my hair. I have noticed I have more volume on top after pineappling the night before. Also if your hair is all one length you might want to consider a haircut with layers. I'm starting to accept that my hair just doesn't have the nice crown volume and just try and make it look the best it can. I think you hair is very pretty and your curls so define and you should enjoy them.
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OMG can I have this alleged "problem". You ladies got it good.
Originally Posted by Jessiebanana
This problem really stinks if you have fine, thin hair like me
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I'm always trying to get volume. I recently found a new conditioner by accident (had to borrow some at a friends house) and it really gives my hair more volume. I noticed it the first time I used it at my friends house and I bought my own bottle that same day when I left. However, it does have 'cones. Lately I'm just using whatever works for my hair, CG or not. It's Tresemme 24 hour body conditioner.
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
I have the same issue and it doesn't help that my hair is bsl and heavy. I would love to have hair like curlyCarmen but like Myrna said her curl type and texture is different. I personally think volume all depends on hair properties such as curl type, strand width and density. My niece has around 3c/4a hair with fine strands/high density and she has lots of volume while my hair which is now 3a med/coarse strands doesn't. And she has long hair it just doesn't get weigh down she's so lucky lol. I think there is only so much volume we can attain naturally because of our properties. You can diffuse upside down and use mousse at the roots for extra volume but unless you get it professionally done won't ever look close to curlyCarmen. I've tried shaking gently at the crown but it didn't make much difference on my hair. I have noticed I have more volume on top after pineappling the night before. Also if your hair is all one length you might want to consider a haircut with layers. I'm starting to accept that my hair just doesn't have the nice crown volume and just try and make it look the best it can. I think you hair is very pretty and your curls so define and you should enjoy them.
Originally Posted by longlivecurls
Yeah, I know my hair can't look exactly like CurlyCarmen's. I don't have her genes! I guess I just meant getting *more* volume so my hair falls more out than in, if that makes sense. I think my best bet is to maybe go lighter on products and get better at diffusing my hair. I don't usually diffuse, I usually air dry. But I leave the house well before it's dry, do I can't touch it until later. My current cut is what I got when I asked for layers and didn't quite get what I want. I'm convincing myself more and more to schedule a hair appointment this week to see what can be done. I don't want to lose length, I just want volumizing layers I don't have split ends so I don't need a trim right now. I did find a Deva styling specialist in my area, so maybe I'll find out when she's available this week. Other than that, I'll keep experimenting :-)
3B/Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals or Giovanni Smooth As Silk Deeper Moisture
Conditioner: GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm
Leave-In: Giovanni Direct Leave-In
Anti-Frizz: Curl Keeper
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Scrunching Gel; LA Looks Sport Gel; LA Looks Nutra Curl; IC Hair Polisher Styling Gel
I'm always trying to get volume. I recently found a new conditioner by accident (had to borrow some at a friends house) and it really gives my hair more volume. I noticed it the first time I used it at my friends house and I bought my own bottle that same day when I left. However, it does have 'cones. Lately I'm just using whatever works for my hair, CG or not. It's Tresemme 24 hour body conditioner.
Originally Posted by sKorpio1190
I definitely got more volume pre-CG, but it was dry, straw-like volume that I don't want to go back to. My hair is physically capable, it's just stubborn
3B/Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals or Giovanni Smooth As Silk Deeper Moisture
Conditioner: GVP Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm
Leave-In: Giovanni Direct Leave-In
Anti-Frizz: Curl Keeper
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Curl Scrunching Gel; LA Looks Sport Gel; LA Looks Nutra Curl; IC Hair Polisher Styling Gel
Maybe doing a modified CG could help. I use a sulfate free shampoo with the tresemme conditioner. I also clarify and DT once a week. So, I try to keep some CG basics, but also use non CG products that work for me. I also got a layered haircut and that has really helped me with volume too
Medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity

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